189. Men in Black Part 3: Encounters (2024 Halloween Special)

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1:44 Welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I'm your host Jeremy, and today we're going to celebrate Halloween. Look at us looking all festive and stuff in our Sunday's best. We are coming Live Today from Twitch TV forward slash Infinite Rabbit Hole. For any of you listening in on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or anything else you listen to podcasts on, you can come watch us live every Sunday at 8:00 Central time. Before we jump into the topic for tonight, let's go ahead and visit the guests and see what they're supposed to be FA. What's up bro? What are you? I am a scarecrow rabbit. Gary, look at you, man.

2:27 Dude, that's dope. That is dope. Pretty sick, right? I figured hitting, you know, infinite rabbit hole, you know, honestly, we all know I'm that guy waited till today to get my my costume. So I went out to Walmart. They didn't have shit went to target, they didn't have shit went to spirit of Halloween. They had a lot of shit so. Well, like, it's kind of their thing. That's their thing. So we walked around and then I got this and like I was saying earlier, I had full intentions to return this thing tomorrow. Sorry you're going to seem to mess. One thing is not very comfortable but I was going to return it tomorrow but they were like Nope, sorry you can't. So here I have. Now I have a mask. Nice. I love it man, it looks good on you, it really does. If you get it right, you see it like the mouth moves when I talk, which is kind of sick, but it's crunching my my beard and I don't know how I feel about that. Yeah, everyone's going to make sacrifices, man. Just just shave it.

3:27 Yeah. Go ahead. Beardless, Jeff. Halloween. No, we're not doing that. Hi, Jake, whom whom are you? Actually, I'll hold on. I will shave the beard right now on stream for a $500 donation. Yeah, there you go. There you go. Donate $500 and Jeff shaves his beard. That'll pay for another plane ticket for him to come out. That would well, that would pay for a couple of them, Crystal said. No beard shaving. It'll pay for my therapy. Jake, who are you man? What you doing today? Jeff, who do you think I am? I got a a pipe right here. You are Dad. Guarantee it's from a fucking movie. Dad.

4:11 A dad, so he said. Dad, is that you? Dad, I came back. Turns out they only had milk in Oklahoma. I had to walk there. Kate Kenzar, Who am I? It's from a popular movie, National Lampoon. Yeah, Christmas movie. I'm not. Going to get it, kids. Of course you're not going to get it. Probably you will get it. She probably would. I don't watch movies. I'm cousin Eddie from Christmas vacation. Oh, Oh yeah. Cousin Eddie. Yeah, right. Yep. You don't know? Shut up. You look just like him, Let me tell you just. Like him, Whitney says. Y'all suck. I put a lot of time and money into this costume. Well, you look good.

4:52 You look comfortable. This is pretty comfortable you. Want to get up and do a spin for us? Nope. Here I don't think it comes with the belt and the thing and the hat and. Pants, huh? Nice. Because it's kind of chilly in here. Classy. Well, I'm a man in black. I didn't go far with this one. Just like, just like last time I did the Bunny. Man, Blue Brothers or something? No man, it's men in black. It's the man in black. I had the neuralizer but I can't find it. I think my kids fucking took it. It's like Blues, I was saying.

5:34 You know what, man? You know what? You don't even look like a fucking Bunny. Well, you know what? Crystal says that you look like one of the Blues Brothers. I agree. Crystal, whatever. Terrible cop and I'm a Blues Brother. I don't care. I was supposed to look. Do Blues Brothers have this? No Men in Black do I. Didn't even see that until you pulled it out. Yeah, yeah, See, that's how far I went with this. Dang, I got that thing for $1.50. Nice. Yeah, it it's like the cherry on top, man. It's perfect. Actually, they do. They're musicians. That's true music. Musicians do wear those little microphone things. Crystal, you're not fun. Stop it.

6:14 Oh, yeah. Look at them. Look at all those men in black. Look at them all. They're all in black and stuff. That's literally you. You're a you. Got a beard? They don't have beards. Man in Blues. You've never seen that, right? No, yeah, not ever. I I might watch it. All right, before we get started, after we did our introductions, I want to say hello and thank you to Kenzar for being our very first Patreon supporter. Oh wow. Hey, give her the shout out. Go ahead and make that announcement. We now have a patreonpatreon.com/infinite rabbit hole.

6:58 Yeah, we we got it. I am working on the very first Patreon exclusive episode and for those that are interested in what it might be, it is an additional part to our Skinwalker Ranch series. So I came across some really good content and I will present it for Patreon. The question is, this is going to have to be answered by people when this episode comes out, which will be the Tuesday before Halloween. Do you want it done like this episode here where we read, discuss or do you want it to be a solo documentary episode? And if it's a solo documentary episode, I'll probably just rewrite the whole Skinwalker Ranch episode and just redo it with the new information added in there. Make it nice and fresh with clean music behind it and and my my succulent voice telling you.

8:01 Succulent whispering thank you in my moist ear holes. Funny guy. I am a funny guy. You are. You are. I am, yeah. I've been told that before and I was like, yes, and I'm humble about it too. Oh good, good. One other announcement. We have uploaded all of our Infinite Rabbit Hole episodes to YouTube. You can now listen to us on YouTube podcast. We are now there and you can leave comments on every episode there. We've got a bunch of comments. You guys want to hear some? Yeah. Yeah, let's see. The first one is by Valerie Ensign on the Tim Banal episode.

8:45 She said why are you starting on episode 167? Anyways, good job. Thanks Valerie. Appreciate that. This is on a short. We've we've been posting shorts on on YouTube lately on one of the men in black shorts, Muscle Bird 9761 says I love you Jake. Yeah, and I said aw back. Yeah, and we don't know who that is. Nope. J Dogs full commented on our Flat Earth conversation that we had with Declassified Dave. He said contact Flat Earth Dave and get him to come on and educate you.

9:28 He likes small shows as long as they are globers or a small show. I'm a glober. I've actually had I've had Flat Earth Dave on my show twice. Have you? Yeah, man. Well, why don't you reach out to Flat Earth Dave for us then? Don't you reach out to flatter, Dave. Listen, guy, listen. We're trying to network. Yeah. Yeah. So network, yeah. Through. You just a little parasite class. Yeah, you guys. Just another. Chills, just parasitics, just sucking the OK. I'll hit him up, I'll let him know. Thanks man, appreciate that. I got you. We have a comment on the younger driest episode.

10:09 This one's from Doctor Suri Anarayanan 9256. He says we must take a Geiger counter to measure radioactivity. The next time we see vitrification on megaliths, we might find proof of pre Diluvian nuclear war. Thanks doc, I appreciate that. I'm with you. There could be something there. Good stuff. And then we have a plethora of comments from somebody on the Patterson Gimlin film episode, Episode 15, episode 15. You guys ready for this? These are kind of funny. Ready.

10:50 There's a lot of typos. Let's see one of you said turns out they weren't able to make a suit this good until 40 years later. You're wrong. Unless you mean CGI. What movie are you talking about that's as good as what is in the PG film? Another one 1E chamber that needs to be cleared up is why Patterson had illustrations in his quote UN quote book that had drawings of a creature with boobs before this footage was taken. I didn't know anything about that. That was also before I really did deep research, so thanks Steve. Then Steve then followed up with raising that Lane conspiracy, which is 1000% pure conjecture is unnecessary and ruins the credibility of this episode. It's a peeve of his happy birthday Bob Gillan and happy anniversary to the PG film I'm out. That is also another thing to that that that we need to announce that today is Patty Day. Today is the day that Patty was was captured on film October 20th.

11:54 Nice. Yeah. So what was he saying the last comment? I don't know. It's been so long. Something about a conspiracy that we brought up and he was like, it's lame and it's stupid. Wow. All right, huh. Well, I would say to him without sounding too rude, no, go ahead, I I don't have enough time to filter out everything. That's a pet peeve of individuals, so deal with it I suppose. Oh, you hear that, Steve? I'm just saying it's like, OK, and then. People. Been so many people being at Walmart at the same time as a pet peeve for me but I'm not going to tell them that I'll go home. Maybe you should.

12:39 Nor would they listen to me. Maybe they will They. Should do it. They will. I'll be like, look, can you guys just go home? All right? Just tired of looking at you. This is a pet peeve of mine. Please dude. Last. Comment preference. No one cares about your preference. Last comment lat take. There's no other evidence of Bigfoot. Other videos are trash. Hearsay and footprints don't count. The only thing you can conclude is that this is not a man in a suit. So the only thing I really have to say is yes, we made the argument that it's not a man in a suit, right? What else could it be? What else could it fucking be? Is it a bear in a fucking suit?

13:20 I mean start off with the word lactate. Is that what you said? No man, he he, he's got a lot of typos. Lat take so LAAT space take. You know. What? People terrible spelling is a pet peeve of mine so. Lactating is a pet peeve of mine. Yes, also lactating. I hate it when people lactate in our comments. That's a pet peeve. At Walmart. At Walmart, I'm not. Going to say that I don't like that's a good thing. It's a thing, man. It's. Your deed all. Right. You guys ready to roll? Yeah. You guys got anything to put out before we start? Nope. I've got nipples, Jeremy, can you milk me? No, all right, have.

14:02 You seen that movie? No, I don't know what you're talking. About. That's a pet peeve of mine. What? That you don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah, that you don't know what we're talking about. That's a pet peeve. That's all right, we'll laugh together. Jake. Crystal's laughing too. Crystal's not laughing. Look at her. She's not laughing at all to get this all set up here. It's validated, she put in the chat, she is laughing good and she's a real person. Is she? Yeah, since when? I mean I I saw her she it could be AI. It could be all right. There is green screen technology and you know. Well, today we are going over the. Course encounters.

14:43 Of the men in black. You guys ready? Yep, Yep. All right, First one takes us to Los Angeles, CA in 1953. In both of Nick Redfern's books, The Real Men in Black and The Slender Man Mysteries, Redfern makes mention of a specific MIB encounter from Los Angeles, CA in 1953, when an attorney's office in the city was visited by two extremely tall men in black suits, described as as at least 6 foot 6 1/2 feet tall each, who demanded to be included in the investigations of the recent issue of missing children in the area. This demand was seemingly granted as the two men were given authoritative positions in the building. The office never questioned their presence until after their investigation was over, but once they were gone, the entire place broke down in a frenzy.

15:35 The workers at the office described the hands of the men as being the most disturbing feature, fingers that looked more like independently moving tentacles than typical fingers, and filing cabinets that were left dented in on the top by what people were describing as one of the tall men who leaned against them. Later reports of these men in black would also report descriptions of tentacles in many different aspects. How do we want to do this? You want me to just read a few of them and we'll we'll stop and talk about them? Yeah, we'll do that. Good. Good answer. Thanks. Jeff. Parkersburg, WV November 2nd 1966 John Keel mentions an encounter reported to Mary Higher that included an unnamed man and his Co worker who were driving home from work after dark when a craft came out of the sky and landed in the highway between them. A strange man dressed in all black walked out and towards the two men.

16:35 He spotted a large grin and had his hands tucked under his armpits. The man asked the duo what they were doing and a few other questions such as where they lived and who they were, who they were before walking back to the craft and lifting back into the sky. Then a few months later, the son of the man who reported the incident to hire called her office and asked her to not ever print anything about what his father had told her. When she asked why, he stated quote, look, don't use my name. I don't want to get involved in this thing that scientist fella told me before being cut off by hire asking about who is this scientist that you're talking about.

17:17 The man explained that a scientist from Ohio had stopped by their house and told them not to spread anything about what they saw that night. The really strange thing about this visit was that the father son and father's Co worker had never told anyone about the incident at all due to the fear of being labeled as crazy. He just knew every detail about what happened that night. Kiel would go on to explain that this would seem to be a report from a crackpot, but that exact same thing happened on the exact same night on the exact same stretch of Rd. Another man had reported. I just, I, I put it there again, reported the same thing, but this man would report the incident to the police.

18:02 That man's name was Woody Derrenberg. Sound familiar? Yes it does. Good job and we'll do one more here. Parkersburg, WV Again November 2nd, 1966, 7:00 PM Woodrow, AKA Woody Derrenberger of Mineral Wells, WV was driving home from a day's work as an appliance salesman when 2 vehicles drove past him in haste while on the highway near Parkersburg at at about 7:00 PM. The second car was very large and had no external lights on when it overtook Woody's position, but something else was off. This thing he originally thought to be a large truck was not touching the ground at all. Instead it was flying low to the ground and looked as if it were pursuing the first view.

18:51 As the flying craft overtook Woody, it turned towards the side of the road and came to a complete hovering stop and lower to the ground. The craft was larger than your typical vehicle and was shaped like a kerosene lamp with a large bulging section in the middle that tapered off on each end. As the craft lowered down to the road, Woody had to slam on his brakes and safely stopped his vehicle about 8 to 10 feet away from whatever it was that lay in front of him. Woody sat in awe as he watched the door appear from seemingly nowhere and observe a man walk out and towards the driver's side of Woody's vehicle. Woody would later describe the man as being about 5 feet and 10 inches tall. He had slicked back black hair and olive complexion, wore a dark overcoat with what Woody believed to be a shiny green piece of clothing underneath.

19:41 Woody watched as the man walked up casually with his hands tucked under his armpits as if he were hiding them before Woody received a strange signal in his mind that sounded like spoken words. He soon realized that it was the man who was walking up who was mind speaking to him. The words that rang through his mind without the stranger ever moving his lips said quote. Do not be afraid, we mean you no harm. I come from a country far less powerful than yours. Woody and the stranger had a short conversation about some basic topics without Woody ever lowering his window as the craft closed up and lifted back into the. Into the air, some of the questions that Woody remembers were asked about the city of Parkersburg, Woody's job, and where Woody lived.

20:30 As the men were finishing up with their telepathic conversation, the craft lowered back down to the road and the unfamiliar man told Woody that he would see him again and that his name was Cold. Cold finished the encounter by mentioning that Woody should report this conversation and that Cold would see him again soon. That night when Woody returned home, his wife highly concerned and his wife was highly concerned and begged Woody to contact the police about what had happened. Eventually he would give in which sparked a long story between Woody, the public and an alien humanoid from a faraway planet called Lanulos name injured Cold. If you would like to hear us do a deep dive into the amazing story, I recommend checking out our four part series that we did in episode 73 through 76 with special guests Ashers from the on Wednesdays We Talk Weird podcast as well as episode 93 with special guest Tanya Dehrenberger, the daughter of Woody. In episode 159, our remastered documentary episode of the injured cold Story where the complete story is presented without any conversation or side topics at all. So I can't do a men in black episode with talking without talking about the one most famous man in black that that was never actually a man in black and that was injured cold. Will Smith?

21:51 Will Smith? Sure. I don't get it. Tommy Lee Jones. No, Tommy Lee Jones was the real one, bro. Yeah. Something just occurred to me that is kind of had to kind of throw out there. Yeah. Why are people contemplating or actually calling the police to report something strange when no crime is being committed or anything like that? Like I wouldn't call the police and be like, oh, I just saw a weird looking car on the road. Is that something that used to happen back in the day? And then people just don't do that anymore because it's just like, you know, it's not an emergency and I didn't see anything illegal. No one's being hurt. Just like I'm not going to calm up me. Like I saw a light in the sky and be like OK cool. Well, people used to get arrested for having weird cars, so.

22:42 Oh yeah, yeah. So it's like it's it's kind of thinking about that. I was like, like, why would you do that? Wait, what are you asking exactly? Do they? Why are people either talking about it, contemplating it, or actually calling the police because they see something strange that's not something like it's not an emergency. Because you got Karen's out there, bro. Got Kens and Karen's, man. You know, you see somebody parked in a parking lots, not supposed to be there. They're calling the cops. You see some kid walking around with a hoodie on calling the cops. You look at him on calling the cops. It's just like, you know? That's true. That's true. Maybe Woody Baron. Woody Darenberger is just a Karen.

23:22 He just has a conversation with a guy in a weird looking vehicle and he's like, I'm going to talk to the police. About this What town was this in again? Where was this out again? 7:00 PM. Virginia Oh, you weren't. You were a part of the The Injured Cold series, weren't you? Yeah but bro I got a bad memory I can't remember. Specifically, it's been it's been a while. On everything. But it's bum fucked nowhere, right? It was in the middle of nowhere. It was like, yes, yes, yeah. So come on, man. He, you know, he knows his neighbors. He, you know, he sees a weird fella out there in the sticks, you know? You know, he's calling old buddy Frank. Sheriff Frank. Hey, we got to let you know what's going on here, man. Hey, there's a guy out here with a suit on. Yeah, what's that all about? Came out of the sky. Yeah, looks like he might be the lawyer type.

24:04 Yeah. His engines aren't it's. My baller land. Shot at him all. Right, the big AG. He's one of the big AG guys in here. Who is this? Crystal says people do that when they're suspicious or scared about stuff. Well, people may do that, but that's a pet peeve of mine. I wouldn't do that, man. I'd be like interesting lad. One thing to keep in mind though, about that time period that was the same. The same period where the Mothman was wreaking havoc through Point Pleasant. Also the same time period where the Silver Bridge went down. Also the same time period where a ton of people showed up in the small town of Point Pleasant that looked like really strange, weird short people they but there was a ton of them and they all happened to work for the hydroelectric company. It's basically it's like after 911 and everyone profiling the crap out of anyone that has brown skin. Exactly.

25:03 Yep. I had a buddy that he was Mexican, had a really big beard. And every single time he flew, long hair, long beard, he would get extra security inspections and checks and things like that. And he's like, I'm, I'm not Muslim. It's like, and they're just like, well, it's just, you know, a random check. And he's like every time, every time I fly every other month, yeah. Shit, I would wear a turban. Yeah. Just anything else. You guys ready? Yeah. Oh, wait, I real quick. How many?

25:44 How many like actual Men in Black sightings are there, do you know? Thousands. OK, there's a shit load then. Yeah, I mean I only did 6 pages worth. Right. Well, you know, I didn't know because sometimes it's like a dozen, right? Or like a. Couple. Dozen. But if you're talking hundreds, thousand, you know. There's a ton, man. It's a lot. It's a lot. Hey Skeeter in the chat. Hey Skeeter, Skeet Skeet. All right? Wildwood. Wildwood, NJ, January 9th, 1967. Connie, the 17 year old daughter of Arlene and Edward Christensen, answered the door the night her and her family returned from a long trip to Florida.

26:32 The man who stood there was tall, wore a Russian style fur hat and a long black coat. Connie walked out for her mother. Connie called out for her mother and Arlene would ask the man what it was that he had come to their house for. The man replied with a question quote, does Edward Christensen live here? Mr. Christensen may have inherited a great deal of money. May I come in? Arlene allowed the man to enter their home as she called up the stairs for Edward. Edward was 6 foot 2 inches tall and the stranger was easily 6 inches or more taller than him. The Christensen's would later state that their best guess at his weight was at least £300.

27:17 The tall man removed his hat and stated quote this will only take 40 minutes. His hair was black and close cropped with a balding spot that looked as if someone had just shaved it on the back of his head and one of the man's eyes was not coordinating with the other one which made them assume he had a glass eye. As the man took off his coat, Connie spotted a bronze badge pinned to his shirt and the letters K or possibly the Greek letter Sigma and a lowercase X on the front. The man quickly covered it up, removed it and put it into his pocket. As the man sat down, his already 2 short black pants rode up his shin, exposing his dark socks and dark thick soled shoes.

28:04 But the strangest thing about this was the green wire that was coming from his foot and up his pant leg. The man spoke in a sort of robotic rhythm and seemed to be talking as if he was speaking from a script he had remembered together. His speech reminded the family of a radio recording, but live. Edward explained to the man that they were just getting ready to sit down for dinner and asked him if he would like to stay and eat. The man who would eventually introduce himself as Tiny replied in a raspy asthmatic voice that he was on a diet and he would like a glass of water. In about 10 minutes, Tiny Wood begin by taking out a small notebook and pen and began asking Ed a few identifying questions such as history of schools, scars, and past addresses.

28:54 After 10 minutes of his face getting progressively redder, he turned to Connie and asked for the glass of water he had mentioned. When she returned, Tiny used the water to swallow a a large yellow tablet that he produced from his pocket, which seemed to calm whatever it was that was making his face look so red. 40 minutes later, Tiny was done with his interview and thanked the family for their time. He exited the house, walked down the road and lifted his arm into the air. They quickly learned that this was a signal as a black 1963 Cadillac pulled up to the curb with its headlights out before Tiny got in and they drove off away still with no headlights. This encounter with a strange man becomes an instant possible Men in Black event once you know that the Christensen's had a prominent UFO sighting in November the previous year. Southside West Virginia April 1967 An unnamed man from Ohio was driving along the Chief Cornstalk hunting grounds on a rainy night when a black figure sailed above his car and began to dive to give chase as he tried to accelerate away. Quote It was at least 10 feet wide. It was doing over 70.

30:09 It scared the hell out of me when I saw it move ahead of me and turn towards the river. In October, about seven months later, he was getting home from work when he walked in on a strange man dressed in all black standing in his living room. As he reached for his light switch, the the strange intruder took a picture of the home owner with a blinding flash. While he was rubbing his eyes trying to gain his vision back, the home invader raced past him and got away. Galipolis. Galipolis, Gallopolis, Ohio December 1967 One of the most disgusting encounters with the infamous Men in Black around Point Pleasant that year was when 2 short men dressed all in black entered into the office of Gallopolis, Ohio branch of the Athens, OH Messenger, a local newspaper building just across from the Silver Bridge and confronted the very same same Missus.

31:04 Mary Higher, a reporter for the newspaper the men who hire described as being possibly twins, had stated quote, we hear there's been a lot of flying saucer activity around here. This came as a shock to hire as literally a few days prior the Silver Bridge, which stood just yards away from our office window, had collapsed into the Ohio River, killing 46 people three days before Christmas. It is easy to understand her confusion when an event like this happened and someone come walking into the building of the local newspaper asking about UFOs. During this particular time, things continue to get even stranger. When the men began asking of hire had been told by anyone to quote what would you do if someone did order you to stop reporting on flying saucer sightings?

31:51 Which hire promptly replied quote I tell them to go to hell. And the men promptly left. And the man promptly left. Then the eeriness of the situation took another step up when later that same afternoon, another man entered the doors of the messenger, who was also dressed in all black. But unlike the other two who were who were tidy and well groomed, this man seemed disheveled, with a ragged suit and untamed hair. One particular detail about the man that Hire found disturbing was the extreme length of his tapering fingers. The man introduced himself. Quote My name is Jack Brown, I'm a UFO researcher.

32:32 Immediately following his introduction, Mr. Brown asked in a stuttering voice. Quote what? What would What would you do if someone ordered you to stop to stop printing UFO stories? This didn't sit well with Hire as she asked the man if there was any connection with the two men who had paid her a visit earlier in the day. Mr. Brown's response was that he was a friend of Gray Barker's. Gray Barker was from Clarksburg, WV, a little over 100 miles away. Soon after a few back to backs with Gray, John Keel and the local UFO sightings, the man promptly left and Mary Higher was left with a very strange feeling about the three men in black that paid her a visit that day. All right, let's talk about them. People are way too trusting, man. Yeah, like I would I wouldn't even allow like and I don't do anything, but I wouldn't allow a police officer to like just walk in my house or anything like that. Like let alone someone unannounced being like, does someone live here at this address because some vague response.

33:44 Oh yeah, come on in. Like it's just like it's like anyone can. You could go on the on X hunt map and look at my neighborhood and see who owns every single house. Like that is not a valid reason to just let someone walk on in. Yeah, and. It was like people, I guess back in the day were way more trusting and you could even do the whole, well, small town living, blah, blah, all that sort of stuff. Yeah, well, that may be true, but if I don't know you, you're obviously not one of my neighbors. You're not just going to walk up in my house like, you know what? So you can case it out and break in later like no. That's a That's a good way to get Dahmer.

34:25 Yeah, for sure. It's like this is this is strange. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, obviously they told, you know, threaten somebody, but I'm interested that the scripture and talk about this guy has some wires coming out of his shoes up his leg. Like what was that hold all that about, dude? Robotic voice. Yeah, yeah, that that's, that's pretty strange. So the robotic voice is a pretty common detail in a lot of Men in Black sightings and encounters. We talked about that a little bit during the one of the one of the two presentations. The the, the odd voice doesn't only come in a robotic sound though either. It can also come in a whisper, a squeal, a very, very deep, very, very low or very high, very low tone voices, a lot of things. I mean, sometimes it sounds like these people have never spoken a word before in their lives.

35:19 It's, it's strange, right? It's the the the details of a lot of these encounters leave you believing that these things probably are not human beings. Peter said in the chat that they're definitely not demons. Well, if they're not human beings, maybe they're demons. They're demons. Let me ask you this just because I know, I know party is kind of being facetious, right? But would you if like aliens from another planet actually came, would you think they're demons? Sure, why not? Would you? You wouldn't be open to like the possibility that other civilizations on other planets could be created by the same God as well.

36:01 Oh yeah, sure. You know, save just the same or in another fashion perhaps, maybe if need. Be, yeah, I mean, I suppose, but like, that's a, it's all a possibility, but. You saw the Pope said that recently, right? Like. Yeah, said a lot of stuff. Yeah, the obviously right. The Pope is trying to get all the world religions together under 1 banner like I don't. Know I think the Pope is a lizard personally but. I'm not a Catholic. I'm just saying, you know? Caused himself the Holy Father was just a blasphemous title for any human being to have like he doesn't sin, right? It's funny because his Instagram keeps getting he gets getting caught because he keeps following like only fans girls on Instagram.

36:48 So yeah, there's that. That's. Our Pope if you control his Instagram. Someone's doing it. I mean like realistically, is the Pope controlling his own Instagram? You think that? Knows maybe he does. Or maybe bro come. On maybe he does. Maybe he's like. 99% of like celebrities or entertainers aren't controlling their own social media platforms for the most part. Maybe one or two of them they might, you know, like their ex account or something. But. I do my own. You're right, we are a celebrity, but the Pope? Come on bro. Christmas says he's too old to understand it, for one. Yeah, you're probably right Well, one of the bishops who's in control of his Instagram keeps following his only fan models and there doesn't.

37:30 It's not a good luck, but also. It said that the Python. He can, he can say a whole bunch of stuff, right? It's just, you know, it's weird, especially when he goes against the Bible, which he's supposed to be like, you know, the head of the Catholic Church representing, like, the intermediator between God and all of all the Catholics following the Bible. And he says stuff that goes completely against Scripture. That's pretty strange. It makes a lot of people wonder. But yeah. Wasn't there like a lot of talk back before he was the Pope that like or, or like right when he became the Pope that like, oh, he's going to be the last Pope? Like there were some prophetic.

38:13 Yeah, I something like that. And then also from like some monk from like 1200 years ago or something like that. I heard something like that. But also it was kind of strange because the last Pope retired, they're supposed to like die apparently, and then the next one takes over. So that was weird too. They're like, you know, did he just kind of get pushed out, you know, whatever it is? Because if you're supposed to die being the Pope, then. Maybe. Maybe. I don't really deal with other stuff like senility or getting Alzheimer's and dementia and stuff like that, because you'd have to imagine if they're they're all getting old enough to where they're having a natural death, then they're also dealing with things like that sometimes, right?

38:56 So that might be a part of it, I don't know, but yeah. Well, some I always talk about like when the, I remember when the Queen died, like before they announced that she was dead, there was all this talk in the conspiracy world, like, oh, the Queen's been dead, you know, the queen died, all this stuff. There's like all this like symbology and iconography. But people were also pointing out like, oh, but she was just here like at this thing. And here's like some footage, but it's like you got body double s and you know, deep fakes and that kind of thing. So it's it makes you wonder, like, did that Pope retire or did he actually die? And they just kind of like covered that up and use the double for a little while until they can like manufacture this mass press release that, hey, he's retiring, blah, blah blah.

39:38 Blah. Yeah. Well, anyway, to answer your question, yes, I I do think that's a possibility. It's, it's probably not a probability, but it's a possibility. That being said, just because, I mean, if they really wanted to, they could pull like an injured cold thing and just be like, yeah, this is, you know, show some people on national TV at like the White House or whatever it is, or one of the European Union things or the UN or whatever, right? And just be like, yeah, this is an alien from another planet, you know? So it would have to. I don't know how you would prove that unless they looked really weird. But even then it could have been pre recorded and it could be green screen and all that sort of stuff. And they're doing, they're messing around with, you know, rap.

40:29 Was it like, you call it a, a rap concert, I suppose, but they have like, a Tupac as a freaking hologram or whatever. So there's so much stuff like, how would you ever be able to see that and just be like, oh, yeah, this is real. Unless you saw him face to face, right? And even then you could be getting a, you know, the CIA could be implanting you with ideas and, you know, all this sort of stuff, whatever the thing that Jeff's always talking about. So it's like, you know. Speaking of Jeff, hi, Bud. Sorry I had to take the mask off for a man. I think it was like restricting the blood flow on my brain. You got to build a mark on your head now. Yeah, I know.

41:11 You see that? Yeah, both sides. Yeah, I don't know what. Do you think? Jeff or would you or would you say that they were still interdimensionals? Would you be willing to accept them as being outer space aliens? Wait. Say that again. I'm sorry. Ask that again. Well, it's the same question. I'm just sending it to you versus, you know, whether they're real aliens or demons, would you think that they're real aliens or would you still be on board with their interdimensionals or inner Earth beings or whatever? I mean, I, I think any of the things are possible, right? But I I wouldn't necessarily, even if something was like interdimensional, I wouldn't necessarily think that it's demonic.

41:59 No, no, no. I mean, I'm not saying demonic for you because you are. That's that's my. I believe, I understand, but I do believe in that kind of thing. I believe in demons, right? Like we've had this conversation. I believe in these things, but I wouldn't necessarily think that just because something is interdimensional necessarily makes it evil or demonic, right, or whatever there there's got to be angelic forces as well. I believe, I do believe in like duality and that kind of. Thing I guess it would have to depend on the message. The message right or well, that's the thing too. Creamer always talks about on shadow band like you know that the the guy like in revelations that like the the Antichrist, like everybody loves the guy, right? And it's like.

42:41 Everyone. Not everyone, but like most of the world loves the guy who's the greatest guy ever, you know? And like everything is super dope for a while. Like so you know, the message itself might sound great too, but you never know. I guess it's hard to say. Well, I would say that there would have to be a level of discernment and you know, yeah, I mean, someone comes around toting like the idea for World Peace and all that stuff. I mean, let's I'm not going to I'm not the yeah, wars all the time, everyone dying guy, right? I'm not saying that, but one of the things that the Antichrist is supposed to do is make a peace treaty between Israel and all the other nations, right?

43:25 And then he, he allows them to start worshipping again, which in order to to worship the way that the Jews are supposed to worship, they have to have the temple, which is currently in conflict on wherever that the last temple, the second temple's location was, whether it's really in the spot where the Dome of the Rock is right now, which is, you know, the biggest Muslim mosque ever. They're not going to demolish the Dome of the Rock to freaking to put up, you know, a Jewish temple, but that would have to get built. The Jews are already ready to go. They have all of the, the, the priestly garbs and all that sort of stuff. But anyway, so anyway, there's things that the Antichrist is going to do before he comes out and says, you know what? I am God.

44:12 You have to worship me. And if you don't worship me, I'm going to kill you. So although I'm I would love to see ten years or seven years where we're where there's no wars, that would be great. Someone comes out and starts doing that sort of stuff because I have that discernment and I know what the guy is supposed to do. I can be like, that's suspicious versus everyone else, which would just be like, oh, yeah, this is great. You know, of course. So it that's it would have to be with the message. It's like, yeah, a spiritual being, whether it's angelic or demonic, but what's the message, right. Because in the fallen world today, you know, it could be something that the whole entire world wants to rally behind. But anyone with any, you know, biblical sin sense would be able to look at that and be like, well, that's not actually good, right?

45:08 Yeah. Yeah. So. But either way, I mean, yes, the possibility could exist that there would be aliens or sophisticated beings on another planet. But for me, it's just not probable because it's like the distance to get here. How would you do that? How long would it take? And it's certainly when it comes to UFO sightings. And they have freaking landing lights. And I'm like, Nah. Yeah, I just, I see so much of this like UFO propaganda coming out now that it's just like the more comes out, the more I'm like, here we go. Man, it's fucking heavy right now too. It is so heavy, bro.

45:54 They're all, I think it's just they're about to hit us with the all like, you know, we got to come together, the one world order. Thing we have to destroy the enemy, shoot a nuke at him, you know? Yeah, fight the bugs, dude. You know, I've been, I've been thinking about the the whole space travel thing with alien civilizations visiting Earth. How how long did it take for us to go from horse and carriage to you? Ready for this rocket to the moon? Like 100 years, right? Yeah, that's. That's just 100 years of of innovation and. I think like difference between World War One or even in World War 2 and our stuff today. It's like World War 2, we saw the aircraft engine go from where we're getting into the start of kind of like jet planes and stuff like that.

46:51 Most of it was still props, but weaponry started getting more advanced and everything just after World War 2. You know, in the next decade and a half over, we're shooting rockets and now we have jets that can fly like 2000 miles an hour, you know, and freaking or we could shoot a freaking intercontinental ballistic missile that goes all that goes out of the atmosphere, goes around the Earth, comes straight back down and could freaking knockout someone's house. They had the other side of the year too, right? They had that in. World War, yeah. Well, the, the V2 rocket program and all that sort of stuff, but it was just like, you know, a number of kilometers, like 1020 kilometers. But so.

47:37 It's so it's just like, so yeah, I mean the advancements in technology have gone through the roof. So honestly, they wouldn't even have to be that much more advanced to. But my. Point. My point is, is that if it took us 100 years ago from horse and buggy to go into the moon or even more than that right, sending drones to Mars. I mean what? What do you think of this a civilization would be able to do if they were thousands of years older than us? Yeah, but The thing is, well, are you talking about a civilization on another planet? Sure, yeah. Well, that's not the problem. The problem is the distance in the expanding of the universe, right? So. Right, I, I understand everything.

48:18 Everything's expanding out from a a singular point, the. Big as you want, but realistically is if you're not traveling faster than light somehow then. Oh. You also got to remember that there is theoretics and wormholes, and if if a civilization can master the technology, master that science, master that mathematics that's needed in order to manipulate wormholes, that's a whole different story. Maybe, I don't know, to me that's like a cheat code like when I think about that and I don't like that too much. Like I try not to play games with cheat codes too much because it just ruins the game for me. But like for real, you know, and like, I get that that's like an actual thing and people think about this.

49:04 Oh, I who knows, it's theoretical, but you know, theoretically is an actual thing. But I like to think of it more like if it's possible than in the expansion and the distances. Like it's more interesting for me to think about, like maybe a civilization has to travel in a certain direction through the universe in order to get to certain things and can't go the other way. So if we're all expanding, there has to be like a certain trajectory of expansion, if that makes sense, Like this object is moving away from. This, yeah. So maybe they could travel to this? Closer to your mic friend. They could travel to this object but not back to the one they came from, if that makes sense. So it might be like a one way trip for, well, they.

49:45 'D have to get a wormhole going back the other way. Well, I'm not even talking about wormholes. I'm talking about outside of outside of Chico. 'S so. Oh, but here's another thing too. Just because civilization has been around for thousands of years doesn't mean that necessarily they're also advanced. Like. Think of like the United States. We we invented the Internet, right? And blue jeans and the business suit and things like that. But you get other civilizations that have been around for thousands of years and they still make their homes at a dirt right? Or they still run around in the the jungle with bows and arrows eating monkeys and stuff like that. So just because of civilization, even on our own planet, is thousands of years older than another one, doesn't mean that they're doing anything with it.

50:34 Yeah. No, I mean, I, I totally get that, right. But then you're, you're also saying that, or you're assuming that we're just the smartest thing out there, like something like it's something that's more intelligent than us may only need five years to do the same innovations that we did in 100 years. You know, and, and I know you have your, your beliefs, right, but from my point of view that there's got to be something else out there. And I don't believe that we're the smartest thing in the universe. Biology. Not because there's God and everything else. Well, you know, and, and then, you know, like we're, we're just getting into the sciences of antimatter or negative matter as they're calling it now, right, Because positive and negatives, everything equals out in this world, right? You have, you have matter.

51:22 You have. Dark you have all. That's the duality I'm talking about. Right, right. But but now we're starting to find out that if we manipulate negative matter or, or fuck, I can't think of it. I just said it too, I'm going to call it negative matter. So if we can manipulate negative matter, grab some. We don't know what it is, we don't know where it is. But due to the laws of physics, it has to exist somewhere, right? Everything has its opposite, right? Positive negatives equals 0, right? So if. We were anti mass. Yeah, if if we were to be able to capture anti mass and seclude it into a chamber and then put it next to another chamber that had regular mass or material, you would get this, this constant flow, this attraction between the two of them.

52:24 And then if you have another one, right, let's say we, we sandwich that negative mass with two positive masses. Now as long as we're shooting electricity through these positive masses, we increase their gravitational pull via the flux lines of their magnetic waves, right? So now. You have this sense. So I know so now. So now you have this negative mass going back and forward between the two of them with pretty much 0 effort whatsoever except for initial start up the spark plug in your car. And you have that motion of the negative mass going back and forth between the two positive masses. That's free propulsion, that's energy. That's.

53:06 Yeah, but that's that's like an empty vacuum chamber and you freaking, you suck all the air out of the vacuum chamber. OK, well, you have nothing, right? There's nothing in there anti mass. I mean, call it what you want. There's nothing there we don't have. You can't then take that vacuum chamber and shake it up, and now you have a engine I. Mean you're, you're looking at it in a very vase though. I mean, obviously there has to be some technology built around it, right? I mean. You shake it up and now you have an engine. Oh shoot, my vacuum chamber is flying off into the sky. But what I'm saying is that the power behind this stuff, if you just, if you're able to restrict the, the, the natural laws of attraction between positive and negative materials or charges, you're able to create power that can pretty much bring you up to the speed of light. Now, it may take time to accelerate that fast and it's going to take time to break, you know, from, from the speed of light, but it, you can get pretty fast to this stuff, man. This is all stuff that they're working on right now. This is something that that they're doing at CERN. This is, I mean, obviously you know, Cern's a bad word around here, but what do you got there?

54:18 What is this? I can't even read it. Inertial reduction or inertial mass reduction device. Now that sounds exactly like what I'm talking about right there. Bring her up. Look at this. This is a fucking patent for this shit. See. Craft using an inertial mass reduction device comprises of an inner resonant cavity wall, outer resonant cavity and a microwave emitters. Electrically charged outer resonant cavity wall and electrically insulated inner resonant cavity wall form a resonant cavity. The microwave emitters create high frequency electromagnetic waves throughout the resident cavity, causing the resident cavity to vibrate in an accelerated mode and create a local polarized vacuum outside the outer resident cavity wall.

54:59 Yeah, it's like I read that. It's like I read that myself. Like this triangle spacecraft that we keep seeing all over the place. Oh look, the Navy. The TR 3B. Department of the Navy adjusted exploration still going 02036. Yeah. Yeah, man, this is shit that we're working on right now. Now just imagine that there's this civilization out there that already has this shit figured out. They've. Mastered it 16 They applied for this in 2016 or filed in 2016 for this. Well, then in that case, I would have to say that that one guy that was just on the Shawn Ryan Show podcast, I was kind of talking about all this sort of stuff.

55:41 His statement, yeah, that his statement that he made where he's like, look at the way we treat other species on this planet. If they're inferior, inferior to U.S. intelligence wise, we eat them. Now think of a civilization out there in the beyond that has is so much more intelligent than us and we are inferior to them. With our lacking intelligence, are we just going to become cattle? They show up. Oh man, you know what? Fuck that. We're not going to do the Murfreesboro Monster or Black Swan. We need to do the fucking, the Fermi paradox. Why?

56:25 That's what we need to do because that's what we're talking about right now. Yeah, Yep. There. You go method and means for creating artificial gravity in spacecraft 19721969. Excuse me? Wait, are we talking about if the the paradox thing in reference to this or in reference to me saying we're going to get eaten? That to, to what you just said about us getting in. It's, it's in a, it's in a vague sense. And in a vague sense, it's not exactly what the Fermi paradox is. The Fermi paradox asks the questions, the question of if there's so many civilizations out there in the universe, why haven't we been visited?

57:06 But there's a, there's a longer version to it too, right? It goes along the lines of if you use the Drake equation. Do you know what the Drake equation is? It's I know who Drake is. It's, it's a, it's a, it's an equation used to predict the amount of intelligent civilizations there are in the universe. And you have to, you have to find out these variables. You know, you have to find out the values of of these inputs. Bring it up, Jeff, Jamie, bring it up. I think that. Bring up the Drake equation, but. I think that look. At this shit. Nevermind, I lost it.

57:48 Fucking force field generator. Yeah, man. Bro, they're building. I'm telling you, they got breakaway so they got fucking space cruisers and shit up there, man. They're doing it. They've been doing it, I think. I think they've been up there for like 50 years, probably with like space destroyers and. Can you imagine getting one of them Little, I don't even know what they're called, like floating jet skis that they have in Star Wars that they're zipping around in the the woods with? Getting one of those things yeah. Versus like a motorcycle that be. Nope, dude, I know Jeremy's never seen any of this shit, but you know, like any of these like, you know, Babylon five, Star Trek, Star Wars, like any of these ideas where you have like these giant fleets of you know. I'm telling.

58:38 You I. Learned a new a new term yesterday. Do you remember it, Jake? A new term? Yeah. Was it yesterday? Yeah. No, it was. No, it was 2 days ago. 2 days ago when you were over my house and I was, I was working out in my little makeshift gym down here. Is that where the term is? Space operas. Anyways, I told Jake I was like, I don't like space operas and he's like space operas or just people singing in space. No, space operas are just Star Wars and Star Trek. That kind of stuff dude. Which is weird because it's all aliens. You like aliens? Yeah, not that kind. Look, you know, in the multiverse. I'm not a big epic guy.

59:21 It's. I need science hardship and no science in it. It's like 2 movies but no one watches the second one. It's, it's it's the same thing with like Marvel movies, man. I'm not I'm not a fan of Marvel because all it all, all they do is they add like these bright explosions and they dangle some keys in front of you and they're like, look, be entertained by this. But yet they're they're script writing fucking sucks, right? There's nothing behind it. They're terrible. The people who write for them are terrible people. Kenzar says that those bikes are called speeders. Crystal says now he's discriminating against aliens. Yeah, you're a, you're a specious dude. I guess I am. Yeah.

1:00:01 I guess I am it is what it is. Check that dude, I'm on a I'm going down a rabbit hole now. Did you bring up the Drake equation yet? No, I forgot. I'm sorry I went down a rabbit hole. Look dude, walking through walls. Training System Patent This invention is a training system which enables a human being to acquire sufficient hyperspace energy in order to pull the body out of dimension so that the person can walk through solid objects such as wooden doors. Hey, hey, Jeff. Jeff. Yeah, dude. Jeff, when you present your one episode next year, why don't you just bring patents all? Right. That would actually be super easy. A good conversation. He's right here. John Sinclair. That's his fucking name. I was, I was just going to ask, who's the guy's name? That was like trying to run through walls and like part of the damn, I can't think of the damn fucking program now, one of those Stargate programs or whatever it was. He was trying to run through walls, man. You know what he needs to finish? He needs to finish freaking that gateway process thing. Yeah, he does.

1:01:07 Which is easy you just reading it and then trying to explain it to these to to me because I'm dumb but. Yeah, Jeff. Jeff likes to leave things on finisher. Well, you need to finish communion. I didn't unfinish that. You were like, we got to do a different. We got to start this other fucking series and then we just never went back to it. That's not. True. No, you said that you didn't want to do it anymore because you didn't. Like it We were already halfway through. Yeah, you said. Well, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't like reading like this. I like going off script. You're making the show. No, that's what you said. And then you're like, oh, let me pull up a bunch of readers and read them to you. I'm. The greatest reader in the land are. You guys ready for some more Men in Black? No.

1:01:49 I mean, we're. Like, at this rate, at this rate, we might as well just say screw it, we're going to do another episode on it and just keep arguing with each other about aliens. We're bad at this. Are we? Well, it's along the lines. Good at it. Hold on. All right. Have you even seen the movie Men in Black? Are you lying? Yeah. Oh my gosh. I don't know. I I think I did. I think I did. I'm pretty sure I did when I was a kid. I don't, I don't remember it. Can't tell you what it was. I mean, there's like a few movies here. The other ones are pretty garbage. I don't think I saw more than one. I'm pretty sure I did. I remember the the flashy thingy and then.

1:02:33 Yeah. Yeah, it was probably one of those things where it was on, but I wasn't paying attention. Yeah. So it is what it is. Crystal, I can't kidnap him because I gave him a firearm and he would use it on me. Pew Pew. I'd have to go all out. I couldn't just I couldn't just show up and be like, hey, man, let's hang out. I would have to put on a ski mask and, and chloroform him and drag him out of his house, hitting his head on every step on the way out and and stuffing him into a a bag. You know why? But throwing him in the back of the car and taking him over and then like clockwork, forging his eyes open and forcing him to watch movies because I just it, it's the ADD, you know, I just, I have to go just all out at stuff. I can't just, you know.

1:03:22 You said you're going to clock. Monkey around with it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to make him watch all of these movies. Hell yeah. You guys ever had Bell Vita crunchies dude? No. Yeah, these are delicious. Bell Vita Bell Vita sponsor us dude, please. Look at the ingredients in that. It's probably terrible. I don't give a. Shit, they're delicious. Yeah, I like the blueberry ones. I also like the blueberry ones, they're really good all. Right. I'm ready to continue. I was just going to look through and see if there's any ones that are actually wanted to to like make sure we get out. Keats Island, British Columbia, January and May 1968 A woman who had moved to a remote cabin in October of 1967 began witnessing a plethora of strange lights in the sky almost immediately after moving on January 29th, after witnessing a cigar shaped craft with dimmed red and yellow lights, 2 quote UN quote, employees of the local hydroelectric company dressed in all black coverall stopped by her cabin. The men offered to help her install her stovepipe and completed the task and had a glass of tea with her before they left.

1:04:38 She admits that they were strange. Their skin was a dark olive color and they had issues with walking. They always looked at their feet while they were walking about and even though they were watching their feet, they still found it hard to walk straight. On May 2nd she once again encountered 2 strange dark olive colored men in all black. One of them was one of the men who stopped by and helped her install her stove pipe. The other was much younger, she guesstimated at 19 to 20 years old. This time they were on a path on her property that she was walking on and moved to the side of the walkway for her to pass. She reports that she felt strange as the pair sat there and stared at her for a while while she passed, but they had claimed to yet again be there to inspect water and electric lines for the company.

1:05:31 The very next day, a Jeep full of four workers in normal blue working clothes and acting perfectly normal showed up to her house from the hydroelectric company claiming to be there to inspect her lines. When she told them that there were already two guys here the day prior, the supervisor of the crew told her that whoever they were, they weren't from the hydroelectric company. Albany, NY. February 1968. Wait, wait, wait. Yes. Jeffrey, you just made me think of something. I figured it out. Oh, you thought, let's do it. Yeah, I figured it out. Think about this, right? You know how like AID pig videos? Like it's hard for them to get certain things right? Like the hands are always weird, the faces and crowds are always weird.

1:06:13 Like humans walking is kind of weird. Can't quite get it. Except that uncanny valley ship. Yeah. I wonder if implanted memories are the same way, or at least if implanted memories back then were the same. Way maybe the uncanny valley is interesting. My my thought is basically like, what if the Men in Black aren't actually there? They're just implanted memories in a way, kind of like like screen memories what you're talking about. Yep. Where like instead of remembering the actual event with the entities, you remember the owls or whatever the thing was. What if the Men in Black is just another version of that and it just can't quite get that uncanny valley thing down because it's not human, so it doesn't understand fully how to represent a human in these. False.

1:06:55 Memories, That is an extremely interesting point of view on this. I like that a lot actually, because you know, when we were talking about the screen memories and and the owls and how they were imperfect, right? Some owls would be wearing these boot like things or they would have a human like face or a human like appendage or some sort of bipedal appendage on them. The screen, the screen memory theory tells you that, you know, they, they can't master their craft, They're not mastered at it yet. It's they're not, you know, perfect. And if you apply that to the Men in Black story and theories, then it makes a lot of sense. It really does. And I mean, in that case, you could be dealing with one or two things, right?

1:07:41 Most likely you're dealing with either an extraterrestrial being, whether it be from outer space or or a different dimension, or you're dealing with the government. Interesting. I like it. I like that. Brought to you by by reading Velveeta Crunchy. They have to you're. Going to get a sued. Are you guys ready to move on? Albany, NY February 1968 An avid UFO investigator named Jennifer Stevens reported a strange incident. Her husband had stopped into the local coffee shop during work hours where a man struck up a conversation with him. The man was strange and had a darker olive complexion, but what was really strange was that the man talked only about UF OS Peter, Jennifer's husband didn't really know what to make of it.

1:08:32 Jennifer was the sky watcher, not him. The man would abruptly stop, stand up and say one last thing. Quote People who look for UFOs would be very, very careful. Jennifer would get in contact with John Kegel about the incident, and when Kegel asked Peter to draw the person he saw Peter drew two of them. One they sent to Keel and the other they kept for themselves. A few weeks later, their house was broken into during the night. The only thing that they could find missing was the sketch that Peter drew a strange man. Two months later, Peter died of unknown circumstances. Jennifer was convinced that it was tied to the strange man and her UFO research, so she immediately stopped everything and anything to do with the subject of UFOs. John Keel would go on to use Peter's drawing whenever someone would report a run in with a member or members of the Men in Black, which was typically met with confirmation that it was a man that they had also encountered. Arcadia, FL 1972 Author Timothy Beckley mentions in his book Curse of the Men in Black, the story of former FBI employee Patricia Hyde where in 1972 she witnessed a strange object in the sky over Arcadia, FL.

1:09:53 This of course sent her down the UFO rabbit hole as it does with so many others. Shortly after she would be approached by a man with sharp and thin eyes dressed in an all black suit. The man sternly told her quote, You will stop investigating flying saucers. Decatur, IL Early 1970s cryptozoologist and owner of the International Cryptozoology Museum in Portland, ME, Lauren Coleman had his own encounter with a strange man in black, which he outlines in his book Mysterious America. In the section of the book that outlines his research into the mad Gassero Mattoon from the 1930s, Lauren described his experience with a Lieutenant Applegate at his then home in Eldorado in the Eldorado apartments.

1:10:40 Quote A darkly suited, very thin man who said he was with the Decatur Police Department stepped into my life. He identified himself as Detective Lieutenant Applegate. He said he was checking to see if I was the enema, the enema bandit, and why I was digging into this story. He said I should stop researching this series of cases. A few days after the encounter with a strange man, Coleman attempted to contact him by way of the Decatur Police Department when he was shocked to discover that nobody matching the name of Applegate or the man's physical description ever worked in the department.

1:11:23 I'll do one more. Mexico City, Mexico 1975 On May 3rd, 1975, Carlos Antonio de Los Santos Montiel was flying his private Piper Aztec 24 airplane when shortly after taking off from Mexico City, he was surrounded by three flying saucer like craft. The saucer shadowed him for a while until he randomly was lifted from 15,000 feet to 15,800 feet in elevation without his control. A media app immediately after the saucers flew away at incredible speeds, and Carlos was left alone the rest of his flight. Several weeks after this encounter, he was driving to a local news station to be interviewed about the event when a car forced him to pull over on the side of the road. A strange man dressed in all black approached Montiel and sternly stated that I would be unwise to appear on the show. Montiel was so shaken up from the encounter with the man that he did not appear on the show and remained very hesitant to speak about either encounter ever again. All right, let's talk about it.

1:12:34 FA, you got to come back. There he is. My bad. Yeah. Rick Bear. What's up, bro? First time shatter. How you doing, bud? How you doing? What's up, Rick? Hey, if you're in the chat and you're not following the infinite rabbit hole, make sure you hit that follow. The follow button for us, Rick. Appreciate you. All right. So what do you guys? Think talking. About We've been doing it for three days now. Yeah, I mean. No, we had an interview last time. Oh, we did, didn't we? You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Well. Skeeter says that we did a cover where Bouffad started because it's from Barron, Wisconsin. It's not far from us. For those that are unfamiliar with MUFON, there's probably not a lot of you, but I'm sure there's one or two listening to the infinite rabbit hole right now that are not familiar with MUFON.

1:13:23 That is the Mutual UFO Network and is one of the absolute biggest networks or organizations in the study of ufology. Yeah, man. Look, I mean, I don't know, I think I've pretty much exhausted my thoughts on what the Men in Black are. Could be, right? There's a million theories. The one that I just came up with a few minutes ago is probably my favorite so far, right? The just the, the janky cheap fake screen memory men in black. And then of course there's obviously like actual what we, you, you can call them the men in black, right? Like three letter agencies will come knock on your door if you see some shit that's classified or, you know, whatever the case is.

1:14:10 So both. Yeah, both. I'll do one more. I have a couple other sightings and encounters, but I'll do one more just because it's from Idaho and we know somebody from Idaho, so. Who do we know from Idaho? Her name's Whitney also. Oh, my wife. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, she's from Idaho. So we'll, we'll knockout this Idaho one and there's plenty of content to do multiple Men in Black episodes. So maybe somewhere down the road we'll revisit and I'll I'll tack on the other encounters that I did not cover. We're already an hour and a half into this recording, so got to start wrapping her up. So guys, ready?

1:14:53 For the story, Yep. North Idaho, mid 1970s A doctor mentioned in Nick Redfern's book The Real Men in Black who wanted to Remain anonymous, tells of a story when he was asked to look at an abrasion on a young boy's arm. When the doctor asked the boy how he had gotten the injury, the boy told of how it was quote the space doctors who had given it to him. The boy elaborated and described how he watched a strange airplane land in the woods behind his house. He was curious and entered the woods to get a better look. There he came across strange looking people who captured him and brought him to another craft and what would later be described as conducting medical and intelligence tests on the boy.

1:15:39 The boy didn't really put much weight into what the young. I'm sorry. The doctor didn't really put much weight into what the young boy was telling him as he believed it was just a case of the boy's imagination. But five years later, two men dressed in all black with black hats and black sunglasses showed up at his door asking about the boy's story. The unnamed Dr. asked the two men why they wanted to know information on the boy, in which the one in front who did all of the talking claimed that they were just simply curious. The doctor related very vague related very vague details of the boy, but nothing about the strange things he claimed. The men in black seem to accept the answer as a stiff smile arose on the one on the one's face and they left in haste. So other than that, I do have stories from Orchard Beach, Maine, and another one from West London, England, but I think that we got the really good ones out of there, at least today. Have you thought about making like a page on the website where you just drop like all these?

1:16:44 Like a maybe? Like A blog of sorts. Like a like on the Patreon I could do that. We could do that on Patreon. Yeah, that's a good idea. We can. Definitely do it. Yeah. So final thoughts. I don't know if did we do final thoughts on the last Men in Black episode? I don't think we did. I don't think so. Let's do it now. Hefe. Are you are are you sticking with? What do you think the origins of them are? Even if they're screen memories, what are they? Well, I think if you're. The chat, by the way, go ahead and sound off of what you think they are and we'll we'll read them off here. Go ahead. What do I think? The men in what? What was the question? Ask me the question one more time, man, I'm sorry.

1:17:25 So you had you had come out with the explanation that you believed that the men in black could be screen memories, right? What are they screen memories of? What are they hiding? Anything really, I mean it, this could just be an advanced thing that governments and corporations are doing just like on a lower level, like I said earlier, right? Like if, if you somehow stumble into like a classified building somewhere, right, you see some shit you're not supposed to see. I mean, you're not necessarily going to disappear, right? Like they're going to send some dudes in suits to come talk to you and they're probably going to have you sign some paperwork and like, you know, it never happened type of thing, right? So, and that's been happening forever. So maybe whatever is happening, even if it is like other entities, whether from inner in the earth or outside the earth coming here, you know, maybe they've seen that and they're like, OK, let's try to mimic this with these screen memories, right?

1:18:21 If we're going to come in here and fuck around, like let's try to implant something that maybe they'll recognize and which is why I was saying maybe they have trouble mastering the human thing, right, Whatever it is. So they're, when they're implanting those screen memories of the men in black in your mind, something's off, right? The skin tones a little off. The way they walk is weird. The way they sound when they talk is weird. Because it's not humans creating those screen memories. They're creating screen memories of the thing that humans do, which is send the FBI or the CIA knocking at your door like it what they're covering up. Who knows, right? I mean, I couldn't even begin to speculate on what aliens or interdimensionals would want with us or want to do here. I have no idea.

1:19:09 That they want to milk our nipples 100. Percent, unless it's something that. We're getting milked. My favorite theory about that, not to get you sidetracked, is just like that. We're somehow either an experiment or they seated us here, or they were here at some point in the past and now they're or they've always been here or they're coming back to see what has happened in the last million years. Like those types of things are my favorite things to think stuff. Yacoob. I don't think about any of that stuff, ever. Even when Jeff brings it up, I still don't think about. It So what do you think of the Men in Black? Sir, I mean, I'll be willing to put some weight into it and say that they're that it's legit. Not that there any sort of special like robots or whatever like Skeeter says Sears said.

1:19:56 I'm still undecided. Men and black are humanoids, human experimented on different dimensional beings people from the future Skype psychic visions or other. I think that it's just a branch of the government. It could be the CIA or the FBI. There's like we discussed last time 2 weeks ago when we were talking about this, was that there's nothing more clean cut and also gives the. Sense of an authority figure than a plain black suit with a white shirt, black sunglasses, hat, no hat, whatever, but a clean cut look, all that sort of stuff. And generally speaking, a lot of military agencies use that exact same thing as their sort of uniform or attire, right?

1:20:48 You know, and that would make sense if, as in in the beginning of all this crap, they're super like, not OK with everyone kind of assuming everything's all aliens. And UF OS it'd be interesting if there was a way to see the number of sightings or reports of the men in black and how, depending on the culture and what was going on, whether there was an increase of that. Thanks. Whether there's an increase of that activity or a decrease, like everyone's talking about UFOs now, they seem to be wanting to blame everything on the aliens.

1:21:31 So I would imagine there'd be a decrease of people having interactions with the Men in Black or whatever. The alphabet soup agency actually is what it stands for, whatever it is, versus like in the 40s, fifties, sixties, 70s, where it was, you know, way more like we're doing these advancements in technology. We don't want people talking about it, you know, that sort of thing. We don't want people to investigate it and find out what's actually going on. But now they're willing to be like, yeah, you know, the aliens or whatever. It's probably a real group that they're just, you know, they're probably really hostile back in the day and maybe not so much now or when people start kind of getting close to everything.

1:22:17 Like, I mean, some of these folks, they're sitting there saying, like, you know, they had a conversation with someone or they hadn't experienced, but, you know, they didn't say anything. And then the men in black are showing up telling him to stop, you know, not to say anything about it. Right. And we know today that our phones hear everything we say. You know, our webcams can record us even when they're not on or the the light isn't on, that sort of stuff. You know, How long has that technology been around? Yeah, where people are just being constantly watched and monitored all the freaking time. I get it. You know, you get back into like the 50s and 60s and it's like, yeah, well, you know, you got a a Rotary phone on the wall type stuff. But that's not to say that that, you know, high level technology, the stuff that may or may not have gotten us to the moon wasn't already around and they didn't have, you know, tabs on people on incidents and things like that. And especially if it was, you know, military or, you know, black budget, you know, experiments going on in a population, they would have tabs on everybody, you know, So maybe it was like, we flew this craft over this house. We're going to go to every single, every single house in this neighborhood and tell them, don't say anything about what you just saw or we'll get you or whatever it is. And maybe they come up to some of the neighbors. And like 9:00 PM on a Friday, dude, I was asleep, you know, type stuff.

1:23:47 And maybe they come up on some of the neighbors in, in the neighborhood that are just like, how would they know that? You know, I didn't tell anyone that I saw that craft because they canvassed the entire area and they run away because they got to get to 100 houses in this, in this block, right. So it's like, it could be that, you know, but I'm leaning more into the belief that, yeah, it's it's a real organization with real people, but with their motive, who knows? Besides, it seems to shut people up. And if they don't shut up, then they disappear or they die, right? My house broken into.

1:24:30 My my personal opinion on the men in black, I think my personal opinion with the men in black goes hand in hand with the explanation of UFOs that I discussed in the last recording of the men in black where the their potential time travellers. I mean, and that's kind of a a fantasy answer for you to it's, it's what I want them to be be honest with you. I think that would be a really, really cool concept. Jake's probably right though. They're probably just government entities, something from the alphabet suit boys. But I in in the, in the land of my wants, needs and desires. I would like them to be from from time and be time travellers to the guardians of time that they fly around their little flying saucers and and stop people from ruining the timeline so that we can all have babies and stuff.

1:25:22 My only problem with that is that we see them and we talk about them, and just by that I mean we are talking about them right now. So we are. Going down the tulpa line. I get, I don't know what that is, but we're fucking with the timeline, right? Like that alone is fucking with the timeline. Unless. Unless this is how the timeline's supposed to be. Because you got to. Remember, we're, we're close, we're close, We're close to the disclosure. It's coming, right? Right. No, I don't believe so. You don't. Think so. I think I think it's coming. I think it's coming. I think what's coming, I think what's coming is a is a, a disclosure, but not the disclosure I think. It's coming as a fair. A disclosure of a bunch of lies.

1:26:04 Yeah, fake disclosure is coming. Where every single question that has a little bit of little bit of snazzy stuff or a cool answer is like, oh, we'll talk about that in the closed session. Yeah, it's all going to be closed sessions. It's all going to be unknowns. It's all going to be potential threat to national security or global security. It's going to be, you're going to get the fucking bullshit answer, bro. They're not going to ever tell us. You know, the only way that you're ever going to find out that like actual aliens exist is if like they show up in mass and just make themselves known. And even then it's questionable, right? When you talk about all these conspiracies with 5G towers and hologram technology and all this type of shit and, and, you know, voice to skull technology, which could be like video to skull technology. Think about that right?

1:26:52 Like. Right. Well, let's, let's take a quick dive down the the news Isle of the infinite rabbit hole real quick because there's two big, big news or two pieces of news out there that are huge 1 is that it? You know this, this could be under the funny ears disclosure that you were talking about, right? Where the James Webb telescope has picked up on something that seemed to have taken a 90° turn directly towards Earth. Is that real? Yeah, that's a well. Apparently, but I wasn't.

1:27:33 I wasn't sure if that was just some bullshit TikTok video. You know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I I saw that on Scientific Weekly I believe it was. So, you know, that's the thing, that's what I'm talking about, right? Like, and this is the type of thing where there's certain threats that none of us can really like, prove. We can't substantiate this at all. So it's just like you have to trust, well, if they come out tomorrow and they're like, hey man, that thing that turns coming towards us like it'll be here in 10 years and it's a threat, I guess you're telling me the truth. Yeah, I think it's interesting though. Oh, actually, you know what? There's Yeah, the 11 other news, piece of news.

1:28:14 One other news is we've got some news is here, guys. The other news is, is that we have a very famous event that's making its way back into the news. The Miami Mall thing, it's coming back. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Apparently, apparently some guy I don't like, I don't remember his name, but apparently they said they called his name by name in Congress and announced him as an enemy of the state. And this guy had gone online and announced that he has video footage of the beings that were in that mall and that he will release them. He just needs to find the right way to do it so that he doesn't get fucking killed.

1:29:04 Just put it on X right now. You you don't think they can find you when you post something on X? No, I don't think that they'd care at that point to kill. Him. I think they would squash that shit right away. No, because The thing is, if this is like the type of thing that like Doctor Greer always talks about, right? What? Love him. Or hate him. You know, there has to be a protocol in order to come out with certain type of shit so you don't get killed. And the people who try to come out like secretively or like behind closed doors and through some chant like that shit doesn't work bro. Like you have to put that shit out open sourced. Like everybody has to know. No, he's, he's got to go to fucking Joe Rogan. He needs to go somewhere. Joe Rogan or. Whatever, something he needs to go live somewhere big and just put it out there. Put it on X, you put it on X and it'll get shared by 20 million people on.

1:29:52 X man, I don't think you're. Safe that he's really famous but he's the the UFO guy and all those guys that went on the Sean Ryan show podcast and they were talking about all that crazy stuff and they're all the whistleblowers and they're going through this one guy in order to get their. Stuff out there in Congress, Yeah. Or are you talking about Doctor Steven Greer? No, I think he's talking about Bob Lazar. Not Bob Lazar. I'm not talking about him. No, I'm talking about it's like, Oh my gosh, he's some like Russian Rogan. He's been on Sean Ryan. He's like some freaking researcher and he helps people come out with this sort of stuff.

1:30:37 Steven Greer. No, Steven Greer does it. Well, I mean Doctor Steven people. That's his whole spin, his whole steel spiel is that he gets these whistleblowers and these people who apparently are in the know or were in the know at some point and he gets them together. And every so often they have these meetings in front of Congress or. How do you put out? Information. You know, like. I think it's GRIER or the ER. I think it's Greer. No, I'm looking at him, not him. All right, while while you're doing that, let's go ahead and read through some of the comments here, Skeeter says. I'm still undecided if MIB are humanoids. Oh, wait, you already said this, didn't you, Jake? Yeah. OK. Where where did you leave off?

1:31:18 Did we get everybody? They're all arguing with each other about what the men in black are looks like. Kenzer says, well, they have to tell us the truth, right? So maybe it is exactly like they showed in the movies. Maybe they're just here to keep it all in touch. Oh, George Knapp. Jeremy. Korbel. Yeah. Jeremy Korbel. Yeah, Jeremy Korbel is he's a big, big time whistleblower. George Knapp, is he he. He's from the the Coast to Coast AM family. Does he help whistleblowers come out?

1:31:58 Yes and no. I, I would say that there's been whistleblowers on coast to Coast, but I, I, it's mostly for entertainment. I don't know how how serious you'd be taken if you went on coast to Coast and tried to blow a whistle. I don't. I don't think you'd be taking that seriously. They got some, there's some weirdos that go on there. So then. Maybe it's Greer. Yeah, I think. Was one of the authors in that Skinwalker Ranch book Could be wrong? Let's see. Yeah, he's going to have to. This individual would have, I agree, throwing it up on Rogan. So it like literally at that point, 30 million people see it all at the same time, and now there's no point in killing the guy because it's just going to go massive, massively viral from there. You have to come out loud and live so that that you can get ahead of the alphabet soup boys and. That's the problem.

1:32:56 The thing, the fact if if it's true that they like named this man like an enemy of the state and he's just like a regular dude who would have just happened to have been in the mall and like, like, he's not like a trained operative of any kind. Like they already got him, bro. Let's be realistic. Oh yeah, They they know exactly where he is. I mean it's. Going to explode. And they probably don't even have to get him right. He again, he's not a trained operative. They probably scrubbed his device remotely. As soon as they knew that he had it, they were like, oh, just fucking oh, it's gone, don't worry. That's. Probably why we haven't seen it yet. Or they put a little CP on his device or something like that and he's going to go to prison for that or some shit. Oh yeah. Well, those, those two big newses are, are making news. You know, we got the the thing that's coming to Earth could be here and I don't know, I think it's like 10 light years away or something like that.

1:33:47 So. It's 10 years, yeah. Ten, I think it's 10 light years, man. So you're looking at hundreds if not thousands of years still. Depends on how fast it's moving. Right. And I, I don't think we're catching it on the James Webb telescope if it's moving at lightspeed. We have somebody. There was another comment I want to read off. Well, that's the thing too, right? If it's 10 light years away and we just noticed it turning recently, that means it turned 10 years ago. That's true. Yeah, it did. That's true. So. I we we need to cover the Fermi paradox. It it would be a fucking awesome conversation. I'm I'm, I'm going to dive into the Fermi paradox next. You guys are going to love that.

1:34:28 Rick Bear 459 says we don't even get the truth from elected officials. I saw that you pinned that, so I wanted to get that out. Very true, very, very true. All right. What do you think guys ready to call it? It's a bedtime. Yeah, man. Yeah, I think it was a good episode. I. Didn't really talk about the men in black, but you know, whatever it is what it is. I mean, what's there to talk about? No one knows. About one on that, they're talking to us bro, what are you talking? About Yeah, we got a Blues Brother right here. Right here, man. Yeah. It's not my fault that the Blues Brothers were created in order to make the Men in Black look like jokes. Yeah. New conspiracy unlocked. Yep, yeah, The Blues Brothers, the original Men in Black. All right, wow.

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