208. The Disclosure Paradox w/ Author Paul Vecchiet

0:38 Welcome back to The Infinite Rabbit Hole. I'm your host, Jeremy, and today we got a special guest in the house. But before all of you get to learn about him, you get to learn about us for the 200th and some odd time. Jake, how are you doing, bud? I'm cold. I I got bored yesterday and so I shaved off a year's worth of hair and my face, just like the Old Navy days. Whitney knew that if I was ever bored for more than 5 minutes that I was and I was within arm's reach of Clippers. I just shaved my head just because it was something to do so and it's easier.

1:21 So yeah, I'm going to let it all grow back out now. Just start from bare bones. And I've spent the day working on setting up my home gym and doing all the doing all the flooring. So ripped out all the carpet and put down all the all the gym mats and everything. Tomorrow I'm going to be building up my Smith machine. So I went out and spent a bunch of money on some barbell weights and yeah, going to get swole is as the the kids say. I think they still say that. Yeah, no, they definitely do. They definitely do. Trust me, I have. I have a lot of them. So yeah. I would know this, but yeah, man, I hope you like that Smith machine. It's the same one that that I bought. And it's it's a beast, man.

2:01 I I love it. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it's cold out right now. And I think one of the worst ideas you could have is just shave all your hair off. Well, I wear hats, so we're beanies outside, so there's really no need to have a bunch of hair because no one can see it anyway. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, yeah man, well, I did something cool this week. What'd you do? I got myself a tattoo. I seen that look at the pictures. Look at it, look how cool he is. That's pretty cool. He's a pretty cool. It's a it's a jackalope coming through a portal, although it is not my infinite rabbit hole tattoo that that will that will be coming when when I go with you, Sir. I can't.

2:49 I can't. I don't know. It's like I want to get some forearm tattoos, but I also want to be like the CEO of a company one day. So I don't know if that's a good combination, you know. CE OS all have tattoos now. Man, yeah, Do they? Yeah, they all do. All of them. Yeah, every one of them. Everyone. Of them, yeah. Yeah. Some of them even have face tattoos. No dude, they're just too expensive. I got other stuff I spend money on, like motorcycle parts and stuff and just, you know. I, I was reading an article the other day about, man, I can't remember the, the name of the company. It was some veteran owned company and he was talking about tattoos. It was in the ink magazine. And the guy was, he was the CEO and he was talking about all the tattoos And he's like, literally man, I have my butt hole tattooed and, and I was like, I was like, there it is. I mean, and that, that was the trigger. I needed to go out and get another, another tattoo. And I was like, oh, he could do it. I could do it so.

3:47 Dude I haven't gotten a tattoo in like 8 years, it's been a minute. Well, we're gonna have to go see my boy Alex over at Skin Shape, Skin Prints in Eau Claire. Man, he does good job. Look at it. Look at it. Did a good. Job it's it looks good. It looks good for sure. I just don't know. I don't know if I can commit. I hate all my tattoos except for one. I've got 14 of them. They're all, they all suck except for one of them. And I'm just like, I don't know if I want to do that again, especially where people can see it when I'm, you know, except for when I'm wearing shorts. You can see all the ones on my legs. But yeah, all. Right. Well, let's, let's stop wasting our guest time. Yes, let's, let's bring him into the table and get him introduced to all of the listeners. We are doing something new today. Now, we've had plenty of authors on this show before. The authors that we typically would have are the ones that will do books for where I do most my research from. Hence all these books back here if you're watching on Twitch or if you're watching on Spotify or YouTube. But we're doing something new today, but with A twist. We are going to talk to our very first fictional author, but comes with a nonfiction twist as he has real life experience with the topics that he's writing

5:18 about. I am personally very excited to introduce everybody tonight to Mr. Paul, Vicki yet, Paul, welcome to the infinite rabbit hole. How you doing today? Great. Thanks for having me at on your show, Are you there? Now I, we are, we are having a little bit of a connectivity issues. It looks like Paul is slightly delayed just a bit. So Please be patient with us. Paul, can you give us a little bit of a background on who you are, what, what the topic of this book is and what makes you the expert on the topic? All right, well the book could be a an autobiography, except I don't use myself as the main character. The main character is based on me and all the characters in the book are based on real people and based on real events. And the the effort is to explain the link between the extra extraterrestrial phenomenon and our spirituality and how we relate with the rest of the universe and why it's not a good idea for disclosure.

6:50 You know, the book is called the Disclosure Paradox. And the the paradox is how are we as a human race supposed to improve ourselves if we're not allowed to know what's wrong with us? And, and what we are is essentially we are quarantined from the rest of the universe because we are considered a very dangerous species. Our intelligence combined with our DNA, which makes us violent, barbaric, have an irrational obsession with possessions, and worst of all, being racist to the point of genocidal makes us a very dangerous species that we need.

7:39 They need to contain us from going out and about. Yeah. So there's a there's a lot of parallels here. So this is this is a concept that has been talked about quite a bit in the world affording and subjects, right? One at one very famous concept or conversation that was been brought up is the Fermi paradox, right? So the Fermi paradox asks, well, if the universe is so populated, why have we never been contacted by anybody? One of the answers to this is, well, we're stupid and we're mean and nobody wants to talk to us because we're defective, right?

8:25 And every movie shows us killing the visitors. Right, right. It's like, it's like, oh, look, there's a shiny thing in the sky, let's shoot it down. Yeah, or there's there's something that landed on our planet. It doesn't understand our customs. It comes into my house, takes me onto their ships. Shove something up my ass. Now I'm going to kill it. Where in it's in it's customs. That's like the the best thing it could do for you, right? And but the with all jokes aside, right, there is a a a lot tied into this there. There's a lot of theories that that revolve around what Paul is talking about.

9:09 There is the the zoo theory where planet Earth is considered a galactic zoo of, of, or a Petri dish of many different animals from across the Galaxy, all put into one place as it's some sort of experimental television show, if you would right, where the scientists fly around in flying saucers and, and they, they come down and they, they take biological samples of, of, of their experiments every once in a while. And it comes in the form of cattle mutilations and, and alien abduction victims like the communions or like of Whitley Strieber when he gets visited by the visitors there. There's a lot here, right?

10:01 And, and, and there is the, the concept of the galactic council of where the human race has been banished to the planet Earth because our ancestors were so bad and cruel and mean to not only ourselves, but every other species that in the universe. And we we lost the privilege to be a part of the group. And we have been banished to be by ourselves to the point to where we just destroy ourselves as our as our final punishment for our judgement. And that my sort of on the right track there, Paul. Well since you are knowledgeable about people that have written non fiction, are you familiar with Robert Dean? He was AUS Army Sergeant Major and apparently he was given the role of having contact with these extraterrestrials through his psychic ability because they're, they're telepathic. And the messages that he got was that Earth is actually a school. The, the extraterrestrials refer to Earth as a school for our spirits.

11:28 And the way it's set up is that the spirits cannot experience the the human experience, which is love and pain and suffering, everything that makes us human without being linked to a, a human being. So the individuals that you know, say that we have souls, I call them spirits. And it is here where the spirit learns about being human. And then when they we pass on that spirit goes to download, you know, what was in life. And and if they learned the lesson of of compassion, of love, of beauty and creativity, all the things that you know, make the the human experience, then they are allowed to advance.

12:25 And if if not, then then they recycle back to to Earth to learn the lessons that they missed. So Earth is actually very important to the universe because it provides the the forum for the spirit to engage that way. In fact, Earth is more important to the extraterrestrials than the humans are. They can replace the humans, they can't replace Earth. Jake, what do you got? You're not. I'm not going to argue with our guests. I'll argue with you. I'm not going to argue with him, it's an interesting take, but it it sounds like was it Buddhism?

13:13 Yep, essentially there's a lot of Eastern religion. I know much about it to be honest with you. It's true, yeah. There's a lot of Eastern religion in there. I mean, that's that's I would say that that's a probably if Jeff was here, he would probably agree with you 'cause he's, he's definitely well, he definitely has repeated that sort of thing is at least in in theory of like it's a interesting thought of like maybe This is why this it all of this is right. I mean, I would disagree, but when it comes down to it, I've never died before. So I don't, I couldn't tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that I know, but I have AI have a faith that, you know, I'll be with the Lord, Right. So, yeah, that definitely has a very Buddhism type feel to it. And I've heard that before, certainly. But you know, you're you're doing the whole thing that people get tattoos and you can't disconnect anymore. Posting that.

14:27 That's fun. Yeah. I'm still have my reservations. Jeremy, You're not going to convince me to go get full sleeves unless you pay for him. No, but so Robert Dean is an interesting topic. He's very interesting actually. I want to say he's done or at least he's been in a few documentaries. And basically the gist is, is like you said, he he bases his knowledge around this top secret government document called the assessment I believe it was called.

15:15 And it ties in heavily with the concept of like near death experiences, reincarnation and the the multiple lives theory, like Paul was talking where life is life is, is all about lessons, right? And you go there to, to learn a lesson. And if you don't learn that lesson, well, then you have to go back. And then if you do learn a lesson, if there's more lessons for you to learn, you can come back as a different soul to learn another lesson. And once all your lessons are are checked off the list, then you move on to the next stage, whatever that stage may be. I'm not too familiar with it.

16:01 I know that he had he claimed to have this, this kind of off title, this off top secret title. If I remember, it was like cosmic top secret or something along those lines, which is which is a kind of a strange title just because just because top secret isn't necessarily a title. It is a privilege to a specific topic. Just because you have a top secret clearance doesn't mean that you have a clearance to everything top secret. It means that you have the right the the need to know about a specific topic.

16:50 So like, you know, I have a tops of your clearance about this water bottle, right? I can, I need to know everything about this water bottle, but I also have the, the duty to make sure that nobody else knows about this water bottle. So I need to check your paperwork and your credentials to make sure that if I share any information about this water bottle that you have the need to know or the tops of your clearance to learn about it. I'm doing a. Terrible job showing everybody on that water bottle on the the video. I know right? Revoke your clearance. But it, it's so when he has, when he, when he was talking about like the, I may be wrong with the cosmic top secret, but it was a, it was some, some sort of top secret clearance where he had like a, it was some sort of astral body term that he used in front of the, the term top secret. And that was like, that was a sort of a red flag for me, for him.

17:56 But I then I remember that he ended up suing like his hometown, like his town in the southwest. It was either New Mexico or Arizona because he worked for the the town or the city and they ended up letting him go or treating him unfairly because of his beliefs in UFOs and aliens. He ended up winning. He ended up winning a discrimination trial for it and he ended up winning like 6 figures or something along those lines. Good for him. Yeah, he's he's since passed away, I believe, if I. Remember correctly. He has since passed away. But, but, but, but his story's really good. It's a, it's a, it's a very, very fascinating story. He, he, he does make some pretty out there claims, but the, the, the interesting thing about some of the claims that he makes is that they're reiterated by other people, right? And, and that's the, that's the fun thing about all of these these people who, who make these kind of claims, is that over time, you start to hear more and more people come out with similar claims and concepts.

19:14 And that's what we're really hearing now when when we hear like Lou Elizondo come out and he's talking about the these, these gravitational displacement craft that literally displaces gravity around the craft, the entire craft's body. And that's how they're able to move at all these incredible speeds and duties, incredible movements that would literally leave a human being inside of a human built craft in the in a consistency of soup, you know, and but. That's sloshing around in there. But, but I mean, what do they, what do they call them? They call them like all domain vehicles, right? These UAP all domain vehicles where they, they're flying through the air and then all of a sudden they dive into the water and then they see him jet up into the sky and straight up. And obviously the only, the only place it can go to is what Jeff likes to refer to as fake outer space. And you know, so that it doesn't matter where they go. They're they don't skip a beat.

20:26 They just go right and, and it doesn't matter what the resistance is. But apparently after reverse engineering. And then you have Bob Lazar from years ago that are that's, that was telling you about this, You know, 20 years ago, 20-30 years ago, Bob Lazar was telling you about this, this gravitational replacement or displacement technology that these vehicles had. And nobody was listening. Nobody, nobody took them seriously. And now they're talking about it on congressional floors. Lou Elizondo is talking about it in his book Imminent. You know, it's it. I don't know. I I know I kind of went off on a little bit of a tangent there. But that, you know, just to talk about Robert Dean. That's kind of the same thing that we're seeing is that, you know, Robert Dean was come was talking about this kind of stuff.

21:12 But you're seeing the same sort of fashion come out with some of the outrageous things or people, you know, were claiming we're outrageous that Robert Dean was talking about. Now you get some people that are coming forward, but medical doctors that are talking about near death experiences like we just did that. What, what did we do? Like a 2A2 part series on near death, near death experiences a little while ago. Some of those exact same things, those exact same concepts that we were talking about near death experiences, Robert Dean was talking about decades ago, 2 decades ago, when these studies on near death experiences came out five years ago. It's, it's, it's some really interesting stuff, man. It, it, it, it really is.

21:56 You know, yesterday's wacko is, is, you know, somebody who, who really understood something about the world that we live in today. It's, it's, it's really, really fascinating stuff. Sorry, Paul, I I know I kind of went off a tangent there man, I apologize. So Paul, I want to know how it is. So how does the this concept of we are here to like learn a lesson or, you know, whatever, all that stuff. How does that come into play in your book that you wrote? Because you said that it's, it's based off of real events that have actually happened. The characters are based off of real people, the main characters, you know, based off of you, although everyone has different names and such like that. So what is the what is the the non fiction element to it where you know, I'm, I'm sorry, I I didn't read your book, but you know.

23:01 It's not out yet. It comes out February. 18th Well, there you go. Right? Well, there you go. That's why I didn't read it right. I don't blame that. There are a lot of elements that are non fictional that are are truth that that can't put together the the puzzle for you. The first has to do with meditation. And there, there are two key meditations for me that aligned with what you know, people like Robert Dean said. The the one that really got me was when I saw a cloud of indigo. And when, when I visualized it, I had a, a feeling of euphoria that you can't experience here on earth. It was a, a happiness that, you know, you probably would attribute to being in heaven.

23:58 So as I got closer to the cloud, the cloud dissipated and I saw flashes, all of Indigo and and the flashes were, were brilliant. It was like a a beehive of activity and countless flashes. And again as I got closer, the feeling of euphoria got stronger. And it was then when I got a message of what I was seeing, which was the source energy, what what people call God and what the source energy is, it's energy made-up of energies.

24:41 So all of those flashes are spirits between lives that are either downloading their previous life or uploading their next life. And they all combine to make this this source energy. And when that energy has one conscious thought, it makes for a very powerful event. And once I realized what that was, I was back in my body. So. So that's one small element. That so so you. Go ahead. I'm sorry, we're still having a, a bit of a lag here. So I just, I'm trying to sorry if I'm being rude.

25:23 So you had you said that you were meditating and you had what was it some sort of like an out of body of experience or was this something spiritual? No, it wasn't an out of body experience. Yeah. OK. And then you, you you said you visited like an energy. Was this like a like a can you explain that a little bit more? You said it was like a a bunch of flashing lights. Right, right. Yeah, It's just imagine a a massive beehive and instead of bees, you see indigo lights flashing.

26:10 That's that's what it was, a huge structure that was emanating that that kind of energy. And of course, the euphoria was probably part of that that output. Very cool. That's that's freaking really cool. So is this something that you could do on command? No, that's the thing. Another out of body experience is was that I was allowed to go through a a wormhole, which was absolutely an amazing, amazing experience. If you saw the film contact with, I forget, Julie Foster.

26:52 Yeah, Julie Foster. It was like that. It was, you know, lights, it was motion. I was trembling in my chair. The heart rate was was high and I and I and once I realized what was happening to me, I was back in my my chair. So those were the two key out of body experiences that I had and everything else is really subtle. It it as far as, as, you know, a, an outside force affecting me, it's through synchronicity. It's through meeting people, psychic women that would tell me the same message over and over, but about, you know, what I'm supposed to do. And, and it's really just about getting a message out to, to people in in a way that I'm using fiction because I, I can't compete in the nonfiction realm.

27:54 So I'm using fiction to. May have lost them there. Do you get me? Just wait a second. Where did you lose? Where did you lose me? It's tough to say you were in and out there for a second. You were. You were talking about fiction because you can't compete, right? I I caught that bit. I think we lost him where he was talking about psychic women getting a message out. Right, Yeah. So one after another, the the women were telling me that I have a role to play.

28:39 And, and so I, I, that's part of the, the messages to try and get this book out in in the form of fiction because. While while he's while he's working with that Jake. Yep. Have you have you heard of anything like this before? No, but I don't, I don't do the meditation thing. I'm not in those circles. So I'm sure it's a thing. Yeah. The only thing I can think about with meditation is the, I think it's called the Kundalini spirit or something like that. This like that sort of like intense out of body, sort of, I don't know. I think there's there's like this in the Christian circles. They talk about that as far as being a demonic thing, but it's like the the, I believe it's like the state of like when you achieve what you're doing meditation wise, like you get this super intense feeling of like not being present and joy and all sorts of stuff.

29:53 And it's like, but I don't know it it obviously I'm, you know, you can hear the way I'm describing. I don't really know. I've heard mention of it. But yeah, I'm not in the circles of the meditation sort of stuff. So it could be something that's, you know, talked about quite regularly and I just would have no idea. Yeah, no, I get it. Paul, you're back. Hello, Sir. Dang it, Jeremy. It jinxed it. I did. Jeremy, you suck. I do. No, I, it's man, honestly, it sounds like a very, very interesting book. It really does. I, I I'll be grabbing a copy for sure.

30:34 This is definitely right up my alley when it comes to the type of subjects that I like to read about, whether it be the fiction material that I have upstairs or the material that I have down here. I do have some topics that that fit right in. Like I do have some of the topics such as near death experiences. I do have things like Deja vu and you know, I, I, I recently got some books on the Akashic records and, and stuff where we'll eventually, you know, dive into some of that. It looks like, looks like we lost him there. He, he backed out. Hopefully he'll come back in and finish up. There he goes.

31:14 Let's see. Let's see. Paul. Hello, Sir. Yeah, I'm good. I'm back. Is that better? Is that well? Here we have a, we have a question from a listener right now. OK. Do you mind taking a question? No, go ahead, go ahead. We might have lost him again. I don't know, Paul looks like it might not be your night there. Dude, that sucks. He he, he has a very interesting story. I'd, I'd love to hear the rest of it, honestly. Really. We'd have to plan to have him back after his book comes out and we all get a chance to to look into it, to find a more appropriate Q&A about specific events, not just like, you know, kind of, you know, trying to glimpse into something that you know, no one has, you know, access to yet. Try not to leave too much Dead Space in this episode. Not doing a very good job at it, but so I, I punched in his name on Spotify to see if there was any other podcasts out there that he's been on as of recently. There were a few and I, I pushed one and the other podcast audio was so bad.

32:33 Paul's audio was great on that one, but the the audio for the other show was terrible. I was like, all right, excellent. And then you there, you just tell us a whole story. I think you guys are back. Paul, we lost you for a solid couple minutes there. I know. I don't know why it's. The government, it's the government interfering. So you had a, you had a question, you said somebody had a question, right? Yes, yes, Mistress of Muggles has a question. They want to know was there any sensation of temperature. No.

33:13 And this was this was asked back when you were talking about the the indigo lights. Right. No, I didn't feel any difference in temperature. That's interesting question because because probably because it was going into the the spiritual realm. In the spiritual realm, the connection is with the the third eye chakra and you're you're separated from your body. Yeah. Was there any impact on any of your senses? Not only that's The thing is that in in that realm, you're you're gaining your information through through your pineal gland in your mind.

33:59 That's essentially your your spiritual receiver with with that realm and everything else the the senses are are irrelevant. Time is irrelevant. Space is irrelevant. Yeah, it's, it's a wild concept. We talked about it quite a bit. We've talked about the Akashic Records quite a quite a bit on the show. We've talked about, I mean, we've, we've talked about drug realms too, you know, DMT and, and we just did an episode on the stone date theory, you know, we talked about, we've talked about a lot of, a lot of different out of body realms before. And the, the whole, the whole concept of it is, is, is really, really fascinating actually.

34:53 And I've heard, I've heard multiple other shows talk about it, especially some of the really big ones, you know, Joe Rogan and Shawn Ryan, just to name a few. And I've heard some really, really good personal experiences from these realms. Other than the wormhole and the indigo lights, have you had any other experiences that have caught you off guard? We'll go with that. Well, as I write in the book there, there's an instance where I have a dream about something and the next day it shows up on a Facebook page. There's a lot of like little synchronicities that that occur. But you know, I want to point out some some real world things though that that occurred also, and this may get your attention. Jeremy, I stumbled upon a secret basement when I was in the Air Force at Wright Patterson at Foreign Technology Division. They have secret basement, and in that basement was a 70 by 90 cryogenic chamber.

36:24 And that aligns perfectly with Phil Corso's account of of what they, yeah, of what they did with the cadavers from Roswell. And now you, you go to Google Earth and you look for that building and it is gone. Not only that, there are no records of it being existing. So you were on Wright Patterson? Yeah, I was at Wright Pat in the 80s. How long were you there? Five years? That's crazy. Any any any other interesting stories from Ray Patterson? No, just just that one.

37:07 And that one was big enough, I'll tell you that. I kept that secret for five years after I left the service. But I used it in. I used it in the book to add to the plot. The Wright Patterson. I can smell the smoke coming from your ears, just spit it out. Well, it's, it's like I'm trying to put timelines in my head and I'm thinking 80s, what was what was? I mean, because Wright Patterson is at the, you know, at the epicenter of almost every big UFO anything in this freaking country, you know, trying to think of one from the 80s and just like, come out with something. I mean, obviously everyone knows about Roswell. Yeah, right.

38:06 And everyone puts Roswell into Area 51. But the, you know, the rumor is, is that Area 51 was the cover story and that. Yeah. And then and it really went to. Right, Pat then there was Kecksburg in the 60s where the you know, there was the the talk about how they they took the acorn shaped or the Nazi bell shaped craft to Wright Patt in 65 with the Roswell crash going in 47, which would have been I want to say it was just before the what's his face is Kenneth Arnold's saucer stuff.

38:57 Yeah, Jake, you know what I you know what I just learned about Roswell. It's just just to go off on another rabbit hole. There was actually two there was actually 2 crash sites. Did you know that? And that when it. Learned it from that Annie Jacobson book. No, I haven't ready yet. I haven't ready yet. But apparently when the, when the, the Roswell site was discovered, they originally thought it was an adversarial aircraft watching our budding atomic program, you know, the Manhattan Project working on, you know, our, our detonation techniques and stuff out there in the middle of bomb fuck nowhere.

39:50 And you know, 47 was when the crash happened and the end of World War 2 was what, 45, right? Hiroshima and Nagasaki happened right around that time. And the Manhattan Project was, you know, I think it, I think the Einstein memo got signed in 39. So everything kicked off right there, right in 1940 with the Manhattan Project and with the end of the of World War 2 and the beginning of the Cold War, they thought that it that the craft could potentially have been Russian. And they thought that the EMP blast produced by the atomic weaponry that they were testing actually caught the the the the Russian craft and that they were actually going to be able to reverse engineer Russian technology. And that they were surprised when they found the four alien bodies that they did.

41:10 Yeah. So potentially the Roswell crash was caused by an EMP pulse from an, an atomic weapons test. But I don't, I don't know if I'd buy that particular reasoning for it, but I think it's a, it's a, it's an interesting conversation to have. But I do, I do think that when they originally approached it, I think that the idea that they were, that they thought that they were approaching like a Soviet aircraft. I think that that definitely could have been true. But then the the massive cover up on the massive amount of resource and money and and man hours that they put the to cover it up with the whole, you know, weather balloon explanation. Just ceding the government distrust, yeah. Yeah, just just goes.

42:16 To answer your question, I can't find anything about Iliad or UFO things in the 80s over at Wright Patterson. But there was Robert Carr in 1974 who claimed that they had a hanger titled Hanger 18 that had alien bodies in it that the US Air Force then in the 80s came back and denied having. In 1985, the Air Force issued a statement denying that Wright Patterson Air Force Base ever produced ever possessed alien bodies or UFO technology. That's interesting. That's right. That's that's Paul's timeline.

43:00 Yeah. So if he comes back, we'll have to ask and see if he knew anything about that or I don't know what his role was. He was. Was he? You say that he was an Air Force or was he an officer? Yes, I believe he was. I apologize to anybody listening. We were trying to get that interview in. He is. He does have a very interesting story to tell. It does seem like he's having a bit of issues with his Internet. Hopefully we can get that figured out. If not, you know, we'll try to figure it out another day. But to read I, I've been talking with his publishing agent, Heather, who is very nice just to kind of read off what she sent me.

43:49 Let's see his real life discovery of blueprints for an underground cryogenic facility beneath a military warehouse turned secure building, as well as other eye opening encounters. Going beyond science fiction genre, the book is also a thought provoking exploration of humanity. Humanity's relationship with the universe. The idea that humanity's spiritual growth is essential for survival and advancement. The notion that Earth is viewed by extraterrestrials as a dangerous, primitive planet, Intelligent but ethically deficient. His exploration of extraterrestrials and knowledge about their contact with Earth. How the United States military industrial complex treats information today.

44:33 Let's see this. The Disclosure paradox, which is the name of the book, is published by Right Away Books and available from Amazon, Barnes and Noble books-a-million bookshop.org, Waterstones, and other retailers. About the Author Paul G Vickyette is an author whose speculative fiction bridges U.S. government cover ups, extraterrestrial phenomena, spirituality, and the future of humanity. As AUS government civilian and former US Air Force civil engineering officer, Vickyette draws from real life experiences in his novel The disclosure.

45:20 The disclosure paradox Inspired by transformative meditation experiences in 2009, vickyette weaves elements of his personal journey, including the discovery of a hidden underground space at a large, secure military facility, into a storytelling which we now know as right that. Born in Italy, Vickyette immigrated to the United States as a child after earning a Bachelorette or a Bachelorette. A Bachelor of Architecture from the University of Illinois, Vickiette served as a civil engineering officer in the US Air Force with assignments across the globe. Today, he lives in Captain Bridge, West Virginia, and For more information, please visit thedisclosureparadox.com. Hey, there you go.

46:09 See, there's a, there's his, his drop for his website. So please check that out for him. That's cool. We've got something there for him. Hey, Danny, Danny to catch you up We we have we have a guest had have both have and had a guest Paul Vick. Yet he is a fictional author who who has weaved personal experiences into his story. He literally just joins in the second you get done reading his entire bio. Dang it.

46:58 Well, read it again. But yeah, it's he, he has some Internet connectivity issues. So we're we're just hanging out BS in right now waiting for him. We may or may not get him back on. We'll see. Yeah, I'm going. I'm going for the the Jeff look these days. Yeah, I think that's one of the more popular topics today, the chat. The chat has been going off about Jake's lack of hair. Factory reset. Nice.

47:41 So I don't know if I told you man, but I got I got walking pneumonia. Oh, that's what. That's what Big Mac had. Is it? Yeah, he got, he got walking pneumonia, lost like 30% of his lung capacity. Yeah, I. Don't know what that means, but it doesn't sound good. It means that I have fluid in one of my lungs. And the medical term is acute pneumonia. They call it walking pneumonia because it only effects one of your lungs. So you can still breathe and move around. And it it can take like three or four months until I'm feeling normal again.

48:24 But we had that influenza pass through the house, got all six of us. Jeez. Yeah. And it was bad, man. Like I So my temperature spiked one night to one O 4.6 and you? Have to take an ice bath? No, I'll tell you that story off the mic, but it was it was weird. It was weird, weird, weird. You know what screw it, Let's talk. Let's talk about it. So I was sleeping on the couch, right? I mean, we have we have nothing better to talk about. So this is this is going to be the the second-half of this episode is going to suck just for anybody listening. But anyways, so I was on the couch, right?

49:07 And I, when I have a fever, man, I am wrapped up in every blanket that I could possibly find. And that's. Why I try to sweat it out too. But like for me, man, like I already deal with cold feet. I have cold feet. No matter how many layers of socks I have on, my feet are always cold and add a fever to it and like my whole body just gets cold. My fingertips get cold. I just I can't get warm. So I'm on the couch and. Which is funny too, because you're actually warmer than usual. Yeah, so, so I I fall asleep on the couch and I'm just bundled up in every blanket.

49:49 That's that, you know, somebody's not using in the house. And like, I literally sent Jace to go around the house and grab every blanket that's that somebody's not using. I am, I'm literally, I'm literally like under like a foot and a half of blanket and I wake up and I'm just drenched in sweat and hotter than hell. And I, I stand up and I'm like, I can't stand still. But like, I'm, I'm woozy room spinning. I'm like, oh, man, this isn't good. And I'm like, I'm hungry. So I walk from the living room like, man, this is really weird. It's kind of kind of like you're drunk. Yeah, but not quite like that.

50:42 Like almost like you're it it, it was really weird, dude. It was like my perception was kind of like shifting in and like to the sides of my my face. It was. Well, your brain was cooking. Yeah, it was really weird, man. And I went and I went to my refrigerator because we had ordered pizza that night because we were all sick, man. We were just like, we'll just order pizza. I went to the refrigerator, I got a slice of pizza. And then I woke up in my bed with my shirt up over my head and, and Katie's shaking me just like, wake up, wake up, wake up.

51:24 And I'm like, what? And like, she's like on me and her, her eyes are like watering and I'm like, what? Because you scared the shit out of me. And I'm like, what happened? She's like, she's like you. I thought you were dot like dying in bed. And I was like, what happened? She's like, she's like, you came into the bedroom and you were like, I don't feel good. And you collapsed onto the bed and I'm like, I'm like, really? She's like, and you just fell asleep. And then and I'm like, oh, and she's like, yeah.

52:06 And then I, I just, I just at one point, like looked at you and you didn't look like you were breathing. And I was like, oh, and then she goes, then I tried to wake you up and then you wouldn't wake up. I've been shaking you for like 2 or 3 minutes and you weren't moving. Oh my God. And. Crap. She's like and your your skin like your like your body is super hot, Jeremy and and we took we took my temperature and it was at one O 4.6 and I was like, whoa, I was like, damn, like my shirt was up over my head. I was like, I wonder how hot I got underneath like a foot and a half of blankets, like if I was at one O 4.6, how hot was it?

52:52 Like however long ago, dude. So when we finally like went out in the morning to like out to the kitchen, that pizza that I remembered eating was on the floor. A big old bite of like just a big bite taken out of it with the pizza on the floor, and then the bite I took was just spit out on the floor. Geez, man, if it ever gets that bad, tell Katie that she can just call us and we'll rush you guys to the hospital. I don't care. Throw you in the back of the truck and just let that cold air wash over you. Drive to the hospital.

53:34 My my youngest daughter got up there too. She got up almost to 105, too. No. Yeah, it was, it was bad in here, man. And I mean it, it, it was, you know, out of all my kids right there, I have a lot of them. I have four. Yeah, that's a lot. It's more than two. It's more than two. Three of them took the flu shot this year. One of them did not. And that would be my oldest son, who freaked out because of the needle, and one of one of his parents. I'm not going to say who, not going to throw them under the bus, whether it's me or the other one.

54:16 One of us was like, OK, I guess we're just not going to do it. Only had the flu for like 12 or 15 hours. Took one long nap and was perfectly fine the other. Everybody else had it for like 2 days. I had it for like almost three whole days but got walking pneumonia from it and I am still feeling it man. Like still mid, like I, I wake up, I wake up man, and for the first hour, hour and a half, two hours, perfectly fine. Got all the energy in the world. And then as the day goes on, I just lose it all, lose it all. I like it's super bad.

55:03 I get, I get I've, I've had a like a migraine headache every day for like 3 weeks now. I the days that I'm off work, I take a nap in the middle of the day and it kind of helps reset me a little bit. But yeah, like what the doc was saying at urgent care, he was like, yeah, so what's happening is like your, your body's not getting oxygen, you know, it's not getting the oxygen that you're used to getting. So, you know, since you're already prone to migraines, you know, so the migraine, the migraines kicking up, you know, as your body's losing energy because your body, your body's not, you know, replenishing the, your oxygen.

55:47 And he goes, so you're, he goes, all your symptoms, he goes, he goes, I bet you anything, if we go look at your lungs right now, you got fluid in your lungs. And I'm like, that sucks. Like I, I, I get winded just talking now. It's stupid. Dude I thought that I was having a hard time. I got switched up on my meds for my nightmares and stuff and it's been giving me crazy insomnia. Like I'm up at 2:30 in the morning, wide awake, unable to go back to sleep. Like I just called in on Friday and I was just like, I can't do this. I'm not going to drive like this. I will kill myself on the road. I'm not going to drive an hour having been awake since, you know, 1:00 in the morning or whatever it was. I'm like, I'm just calling in and Whitney ran out and got me some melatonin and came back and knocked me out. But yeah, so I was like, well, the heck with that. I'm going to have to call him tomorrow and be like, I can't take this anymore.

56:47 Like, I don't know why I'm reacting this way to something that's supposed to make me sleep, but I'm yeah, I can't do it. So I thought that was bad. I, I saw that picture of you you sent in and I was just like, gosh, you look like crap. You look like, you look like one of those zombies off of The Walking Dead. Like that was crazy. All right. And so, yeah, I was like, yeah, me and Jeff will run the thing for a couple weeks. No big deal, you know, had some good conversations and it was cool doing a swap cast with with shadow band Creamer got on and everything. But yeah, I know Jude, you look like crap. But I was like, I was like, yeah, it can't be that bad. He's always sick anyway, you know, you got kids to come over and put their fingers in the dirt, stick them in their mouth and cough into your face, you know, and then you're sick.

57:35 So I mean, it's just the life of a parent. I I hear so everyone always being sick, but yeah, that's, that's rough. That would have sucked. And it's like, get a call from Katie, say, hey, by the way, Jeremy died last night. And like, well, now he's going to do the podcast. Dude, I was for a solid like 72 hours. I couldn't move, man. I couldn't move. I mean like I was in like a conscious coma where the only thing I could do was put my face into my pillow and just lay there like this underneath blankets with my face face down into into a pillow.

58:22 Just hoping for the sweet release of death. All all I did was think that's all I did. I couldn't read a book, I couldn't watch TVI couldn't do nothing. I planned my whole new podcast concept, like for the whole new project that I'm working on the whole, the whole 3 days that I was sick, that's all I did was just I was like, I need something to do and I just thought about what I wanted to do for a new podcast that's like the. Best part of being sick is when you're too sick to go to work so you just play video games for, you know, 2-3 days. There was no way I was concentrating on video games, man.

59:07 There was no way. I spent most of my time most of my time hovering between 1O25 and like one O 3. I was like, hate being sick. Most of my time was, was, you know, pretty high, man, It sucked. Going to run up the podcast for the first time and I was trying to figure out the whole Riverside thing and, and you're like, if I can get up to my computer, you know, I'll, I'll run you through it and I'll just like, that's kind of weird. He's always at his computer. Yeah, it was that bad. That's right. Yeah, usually like I'll and you know what you want. To know what's even crazier is when I sent that to you, it was plugged in right next to me.

59:50 Yeah, you're like I was. I was. I was reaching your fingers out of your out. Of your little out of your blanket mess little burrito and going like this on your phone and setting it it was it was plugged in on the little. End table next to the couch and I was laying on the couch and I just couldn't I couldn't sit up, man. I couldn't sit up couldn't even sit up. Yeah, it was, it was bad. And like the, the worst part about it was like Katie was sick too. And you know, I, I felt bad. I mean, she, you know, she was a chant, man. I mean, I, I totally did the dude thing and I was like, I'm, I'm a big baby when I'm sick, man.

1:00:31 Oh yeah. I make you take care of me. Huge baby and she's just like super. Super mom and super wife and doing all like, you know, but like, you know, baby was sick too. So, you know, he just wanted to sleep on mom all day long, but, you know, she just wanted to be, you know, not slept on, you know, and I I felt bad, you know, baby didn't want anything to do with me. He was sick. He was like, no, I want mom. Yeah. So yeah, your dad, you're. Worthless to me. Yeah, get out of. Your dad, Dick, get out of here. As if you would have been able to do anything anyway, just. Like just absorb him into the blanket for it.

1:01:12 Come on buddy, let's get warm together. Let's see. Well, I don't think he's coming back, man. Yeah, I. Think he's gone? I'll have to send him an e-mail and, and, you know, just say thank you for for coming on. It's unfortunate, but, you know, shit happens. We we tried. Yeah. Looks like we're at 45 followers now. We only need 5 followers though. That's cool. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well. If you're not. Following us on Twitch. Check us out. And then you can, yeah, watch us talk.

1:01:53 You can watch us talk. I have to tell you. I have to tell you something. But it definitely has to be off the chat. Well, I guarantee you that once you. Hear. This experience, you're going to say, you know what? Being that close to death wasn't that big of a deal. OK. All right. Well, all right. Well, that's it. I don't know what we're going to do next week. I have a few guests that I'm debating on reaching out to. I think we're going to. I think I'm going to start swinging for some bigger names. Annie Jacobson. Let's get her. I I I mean.

1:02:35 I I would like to read some Annie Jacobson before I reach out to Annie Jacobson. I got a you know I've got. Don't you have Audible? I can't dude. I don't want. To read. I don't want to listen to books, man. I I I like reading, yeah, but it's so much easier if you're already. Engaged in work, you just have an earbud in and you're just listening. Yeah, I don't. Nah, man, I I'll listen to podcasts. I, I don't want to listen. I, I, I like reading it. It's a it's. I know you like reading. It's. It's relaxing to me. If I if I listen to her books then I don't get to read it. So if I read books, I fall asleep. That's what my main problem is.

1:03:18 Well, that's it. Like is like. The. Reason why I don't like reading is because I fall asleep while I'm reading constantly. Yeah, I mean, that's what. You know, I like, I have a fiction book next to my bed every night, you know, I'll read a chapter or two and I end up falling asleep to that. But when I'm reading one of these things over here, I don't fall asleep to these. Yeah, except for. Except for Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Where's that stupid fucking book? Where is it? Where is it? Where is Jake? Somewhere over there. Where's Mel's hole?

1:03:58 Oh gosh. Not. That where is anything but that where is it you're. Probably in the trash. Where it belongs. It's some freaking Mel's hole. I think I fell asleep reading that book. Yeah, Oh my. Gosh, I should have known. All right, ma'am. All right, everybody. Well, that has been another episode of the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. Until next time, travelers, we'll see you right here in the next fork of the path of the Infinite Rabbit Hole.

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